(04-22-2024, 12:37 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(04-22-2024, 09:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: Either way you can't count on TDs.  You need to find guys whose bad or unlucky games are still pretty good.  A guy who puts up 80 yards and no TDs on one of his bad weeks is more valuable than a guy who will put up 150 and two TDs one week then disappears the next. It's all about avoiding zeros. And that's true whether you play PPR or not.

My main gripe with PPR is it allows you to build a good team with guys from bad teams who routinely catch that 5 yard swing pass on 3rd and 10. Fill your RB and flex positions with those guys and let every other owner chase the next derrick Henry.  I wouldn't have a problem with that if real NFL teams had real success with such a strategy but they don't. The team has to punt but the fantasy owner gets a point.  Dumb.  But I do see how it can be more fun for the guys who don't draft well.

And you've stated the real gripe people that don't like PPR have which is "it's not like the real NFL".  Not the first time I've heard that.  I would argue that nothing about Fantasy football is like the real NFL since they don't award points for yardage either.  If you want realism, go play in a TD only league or a contract league, both of which sound miserable to me.  The contract league maybe has some appeal, but I'm trying to spend less time on fantasy not more and I think the contract leagues would require more of my time.

Your comment on skill level of drafting doesn't compute though.  I routinely see [BLEEP] fantasy players do well much more often in non-PPR than in PPR.  In my PPR leagues, the casuals have [BLEEP] teams all season.  Also, with points only coming from yardage and TDs, TDs absolutely mean more in non-PPR than they do in PPR.  

non-PPR = reliant on two stats to generate points: yardage and TDs.  TDs are unpredictable.
PPR = reliant on three stats to generate points: yardage, receptions and TDs.  TDs are unpredictable, but account for a significantly lower percentage of total points scored in this format vs non-PPR.  Points from receptions for many WRs, TEs and RBs will dwarf what they put up in TDs

One of these involves more luck of the draw than the other whether you want to brush it aside or not.  Nothing is wrong in playing leagues that involve more luck.  I don't need Fantasy distilled into something that is 100% skill and 0% luck, but as far as the level of luck involved between these two scoring systems, I prefer PPR for separating the quality players from the casuals.  If you are doing a family league or "just for fun" work league with casual fans, non-PPR may make more sense in keeping everyone or most everyone engaged past the first 5 or 6 weeks.

PPR makes it easier to upgrade your team in fantasy free agency throughout the season.  I agree it does not reward the casual player.  You have to play waivers to get the benefits. 

Non PPR, much more of the season is dictated by the draft and there will be much less value to find on waivers. 

So I see PPR as like a consolation prize for fantasy players who had bad luck in the draft, like having a top player get injured or something. I agree that non-PPR is more likely to reward a casual player, but only if that casual player happened to draft well. That's how I like to play. I'll invest a few weekends in a deep dive making a draft board, then I play casually on the waiver wire during the season.

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