Even if I accept everything you said is true, which I rarely do because you're so often wrong, you're still just providing a long winded example of how democrats caused this problem.

The remain in Mexico policy should have remained in place, I agree, but even so we had much more people coming over in the 1890 to 1920 time period and it was fine.

Is America the same as it was in 1890 to 1920? You know better than this. What a waste of time.

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The remain in Mexico policy should have remained in place, I agree, but even so we had much more people coming over in the 1890 to 1920 time period and it was fine.

Is America the same as it was in 1890 to 1920? You know better than this. What a waste of time.

You're implying that the new illegal immigrants get welfare, but other than seats in public schools and emergency medical care, they do not.

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Why are you wrong about so much?

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Why are you wrong about so much?

Why do you never offer links or evidence?
You just asserting I'm wrong just makes you look petty and lazy, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I'm right about this.

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Yeah... that's me. Mr. can't support his claims. Remember this gem you just rolled by?

Trump did nothing on the border until covid.  All those separated children were eventually released and nothing (good) was accomplished.
The authority isn't there.

Executive Order 13767 (Border Wall): Issued on January 25, 2017, this order directed the construction of a wall along the southern border of the United States to deter illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

Executive Order 13768 (Sanctuary Cities): Issued on January 25, 2017, this order aimed to enforce federal immigration laws against all removable aliens and directed the withholding of federal funding from sanctuary cities that refuse to comply with these laws.

Travel Ban (Executive Order 13769): Signed on January 27, 2017, and later revised, this executive order restricted entry into the United States for citizens of several predominantly Muslim countries, citing security concerns. It was challenged in courts and underwent several revisions.

Ending DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals): Announced on September 5, 2017, the Trump administration attempted to end DACA, which protected eligible immigrant youth from deportation. Legal challenges kept the program alive, and the Supreme Court ultimately blocked the termination in June 2020.

Zero Tolerance Policy and Family Separation: Announced in April 2018, this policy aimed at deterring illegal immigration led to the prosecution of all adults illegally crossing the border, resulting in the separation of thousands of children from their parents.

Migrant Protection Protocols (Remain in Mexico Policy): Announced on December 20, 2018, this policy required asylum seekers arriving via the southern border to remain in Mexico while their asylum claims were processed in the U.S. immigration courts.

Safe Third Country Agreements: Throughout 2019, the administration signed agreements with Guatemala (July 26, 2019), El Salvador (September 20, 2019), and Honduras (September 25, 2019), requiring migrants to seek asylum in the first safe country they entered on their way to the U.S.

Public Charge Rule: Finalized on August 14, 2019, this rule expanded the definition of a "public charge," making it more difficult for immigrants who used certain government benefits to obtain green cards.

H-1B Visa Changes: Introduced several changes to the H-1B visa program to prioritize higher-paid and higher-skilled workers, affecting the selection process and application criteria.

Tightening Asylum Rules: The administration introduced several policies aimed at tightening the criteria for asylum, including barring entry to immigrants who passed through another country without seeking protection there first (July 2019).

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Want me to do Biden's? Because it pretty much looks like the opposite of that. Also, it's pretty clear that Trump was actively initiating border policies throughout his Presidency. I'm old enough to remember AOC crying at the border, and the media showing pictures of kid's in cages that were taken under the Obama administration.

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So, for funsies, Biden had several policies out of the gate, undoing Trump's policies. Then nothing until this year. His administration intentionally created the problem. Here you go...

Ending the Border Wall Construction: On January 20, 2021, President Biden signed Proclamation 10142, halting the construction of the border wall by terminating the national emergency declaration used to fund it under the Trump administration.

Preserving and Fortifying DACA: On his first day in office, January 20, 2021, President Biden also signed a memorandum directing the Secretary of Homeland Security to take appropriate actions to preserve and fortify DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), which protects eligible immigrants brought to the U.S. as children from deportation.

Revoking the Travel Ban: On January 20, 2021, through Executive Order 13993, President Biden revoked the Trump administration's travel bans, which primarily affected several predominantly Muslim and African countries, directing the State Department to resume visa processing for those countries and develop approaches to address the harm caused to individuals stranded by the ban.

Ending the Migrant Protection Protocols (Remain in Mexico Policy): On January 20, 2021, President Biden issued an executive order ending the Migrant Protection Protocols policy, which required asylum seekers arriving at the southern border to wait in Mexico while their claims were processed.

Establishing a Task Force on the Reunification of Families: On February 2, 2021, through Executive Order 14011, President Biden created a task force aimed at reuniting children and parents who were separated at the U.S.-Mexico border under the previous administration's policies.

Increasing Refugee Admissions: On February 4, 2021, President Biden issued an executive order aimed at rebuilding and enhancing the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), including plans to increase the number of refugees admitted to the U.S.

Creating a More Humane Asylum System: Through various executive actions and policy changes, the Biden administration has sought to create a more efficient and humane asylum system, including ending the policy that barred asylum seekers who passed through another country from seeking asylum in the U.S.

Expanding Legal Immigration Avenues: The Biden administration has proposed and implemented policies to expand legal immigration pathways, including efforts to clear visa backlog, improve the processing of work permits, and increase the accessibility of the green card system.

Temporary Protected Status (TPS) Adjustments: The administration has expanded TPS for nationals of certain countries experiencing unsafe conditions due to natural disasters or conflict, allowing them to live and work in the U.S. temporarily.

Developing a Collaborative Migration Management Strategy: The Biden administration has worked on engaging with other countries to address the root causes of migration, improve regional cooperation, and manage migration in a humane and secure manner.

I get tired of supporting my claims while you just cluck about. You're wrong.

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Is America the same as it was in 1890 to 1920? You know better than this. What a waste of time.

You're implying that the new illegal immigrants get welfare, but other than seats in public schools and emergency medical care, they do not.

This is not entirely accurate. From this website:


New York also has a similar regulation under its rules that govern eligibility for the receipt of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Lawful residence in the United States, if the recipient is an alien, is among seven factors that affect eligibility.

A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.

Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits.

If it's true in NY you can be sure it is in other states. 

As for the part I bolded I can guarantee you Americans and non-Americans alike fake paperwork or play the system in order to get government assistance. In another life I was on government assistance and was shocked at how many women were getting benefits that they really shouldn't have but they knew how to game the system. 

If you think there isn't a black market in place where folks pay to get fake IDs and paperwork so they can get benefits, think again.

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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/176143...Lrwww&s=19

Both him and his illegal fake green card brother need to be deported out of a helicopter over their country.

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You're implying that the new illegal immigrants get welfare, but other than seats in public schools and emergency medical care, they do not.

This is not entirely accurate. From this website:


New York also has a similar regulation under its rules that govern eligibility for the receipt of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Lawful residence in the United States, if the recipient is an alien, is among seven factors that affect eligibility.

A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.

Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits.

If it's true in NY you can be sure it is in other states. 

As for the part I bolded I can guarantee you Americans and non-Americans alike fake paperwork or play the system in order to get government assistance. In another life I was on government assistance and was shocked at how many women were getting benefits that they really shouldn't have but they knew how to game the system. 

If you think there isn't a black market in place where folks pay to get fake IDs and paperwork so they can get benefits, think again.

I think we're going down a rabbit hole here.  Yes, many people commit fraud.  All sorts of fraud.  But most people do not commit fraud.  

Welfare fraud is illegal.  Murder is illegal.  But the fact that illegal immigrants sometimes commit welfare fraud, and sometimes commit murder, is neither here nor there in a discussion of illegal immigration, because we know that legal immigrants and citizens also do these things.

Venezuelans like the UGA murder suspect are usually under temporary protected status.  Trump gave them that status.

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Sure. Most illegal immigrants, who break the law to get here, would have the honor and decency not to commit fraud against our government and its people. Great mind you got there.

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Sure. Most illegal immigrants, who break the law to get here, would have the honor and decency not to commit fraud against our government and its people. Great mind you got there.

It's the same mindset some people have about abortions and guns.

If you make abortions illegal, they'll just get them illegally..

If you make guns illegal it'll stop gun crime.

Funny stuff right there

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Talk about a blatant diversion....... Now they're blaming the victim.......... Like it's been said many times by many people, when the news is concentrating on the BS, Dig deep for the real facts........

AP report on Laken Riley murder omits suspect's immigration status, focuses on dangers of women jogging alone
Jose Antonio Ibarra, the suspect behind Riley's murder, entered the country illegally

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ap-report-...ging-alone

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Sure. Most illegal immigrants, who break the law to get here, would have the honor and decency not to commit fraud against our government and its people. Great mind you got there.

Let's get back to the original topic.
Is welfare the reason you think we can't accept immigrants like it's 1890, or is there another reason?

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Sure. Most illegal immigrants, who break the law to get here, would have the honor and decency not to commit fraud against our government and its people. Great mind you got there.

It's the same mindset some people have about abortions and guns.

If you make abortions illegal, they'll just get them illegally..

If you make guns illegal it'll stop gun crime.

Funny stuff right there

It's all or nothing thinking.

Making abortion, drugs, or guns illegal does not eliminate abortion, drugs, or guns.  True.  But it does reduce abortion, drugs, or guns.  Not all of the people partaking in the activity care that it is illegal.  But many do.  You have to have a place in your mind for "some" and "many", not just "all" and "nothing".

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Venezuelan migrant brags about living off taxpayers, urges followers to 'unite' behind Times Square shooter

Venezuelan influencer, Leonal Moreno, urges his followers to show financial support of migrant teen's charges against Times Square shooting.

Venezuelan migrant Leonal Moreno posted a video to his social media urging his over 300,000 followers to "unite" and pay the fines of a 15-year-old migrant who allegedly shot a tourist in Times Square earlier this month. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/venezuelan...re-shooter

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I wonder why the country of origin has a 22 year low on violent crime now? Could all of their criminals be in the US now? They also are refusing to accept deportations of their criminals back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-migration
https://justthenews.com/government/secur...ico-report

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I wonder why the country of origin has a 22 year low on violent crime now? Could all of their criminals be in the US now? They also are refusing to accept deportations of their criminals back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-migration
https://justthenews.com/government/secur...ico-report

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Much more complicated than that.  Venezuela is beset by political gangs that threaten to murder anyone who ever supported one of the rival politicians.   The people who are leaving are capitalists, businessmen, engineers, scientists.  It is possible that Venezuela is becoming less violent, but more likely that the numbers are getting cooked.

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I wonder why the country of origin has a 22 year low on violent crime now? Could all of their criminals be in the US now? They also are refusing to accept deportations of their criminals back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-migration
https://justthenews.com/government/secur...ico-report

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Much more complicated than that.  Venezuela is beset by political gangs that threaten to murder anyone who ever supported one of the rival politicians.   The people who are leaving are capitalists, businessmen, engineers, scientists.  It is possible that Venezuela is becoming less violent, but more likely that the numbers are getting cooked.

I have absolutely no idea what you're smoking but it must be some real powerful stuff....... Dream On man, Dream On...........

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Holy Cats! The Liberal media has circled the wagons on this illegal immigration issue. Trying to convince people it has no bearing on the amount of crimes being committed against American citizen........

First is was the Associated Press

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ap-report-...ging-alone

Now CNN......

CNN claims 'little evidence' to connect crime to border crisis in Georgia student murder report
Venezuelan migrant Jose Antonio Ibarra was charged in connection with the murder of Georgia nursing student Laken Riley

CNN reported there was "little evidence" linking illegal immigration and crime after a Venezuelan migrant was charged in connection with the murder of a 22-year-old Georgia nursing student.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-claims...der-report

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Sure. Most illegal immigrants, who break the law to get here, would have the honor and decency not to commit fraud against our government and its people. Great mind you got there.

Let's get back to the original topic.
Is welfare the reason you think we can't accept immigrants like it's 1890, or is there another reason?

Why don't you use your brain, man. There're a thousand different reasons why the nation is different. One of which is welfare, yes. Of which illegal immigrants are abusing, certainly. National identity is different. American values are different. Government bureaucracy is different. America's status as a world power is different. Its enemies are different. I mean, dude... I could do this all day. I shouldn't have to. You should think about the nonsense you spew in support of a ridiculous notion, brought about primarily by people who want cheap labor. This is, and almost always has been, an issue caused by bleeding-hearts like yourself who do more harm in the name of "good." This has nothing to do with Trump.

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Let's get back to the original topic.
Is welfare the reason you think we can't accept immigrants like it's 1890, or is there another reason?

Why don't you use your brain, man. There're a thousand different reasons why the nation is different. One of which is welfare, yes. Of which illegal immigrants are abusing, certainly. National identity is different. American values are different. Government bureaucracy is different. America's status as a world power is different. Its enemies are different. I mean, dude... I could do this all day. I shouldn't have to. You should think about the nonsense you spew in support of a ridiculous notion, brought about primarily by people who want cheap labor. This is, and almost always has been, an issue caused by bleeding-hearts like yourself who do more harm in the name of "good." This has nothing to do with Trump.

It's funny, because immigration law at that time only applied to whites and Africans. Comparing that to present day is a typically Mikesez kind of thing.

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Let's get back to the original topic.
Is welfare the reason you think we can't accept immigrants like it's 1890, or is there another reason?

Why don't you use your brain, man. There're a thousand different reasons why the nation is different. One of which is welfare, yes. Of which illegal immigrants are abusing, certainly. National identity is different. American values are different. Government bureaucracy is different. America's status as a world power is different. Its enemies are different. I mean, dude... I could do this all day. I shouldn't have to. You should think about the nonsense you spew in support of a ridiculous notion, brought about primarily by people who want cheap labor. This is, and almost always has been, an issue caused by bleeding-hearts like yourself who do more harm in the name of "good." This has nothing to do with Trump.

America was a world power in the 1890s, though not everyone realized it yet.
Not sure what you mean by "national identity," that's a nebulous thing that will change regardless of what we do.
Not sure what you mean by enemies.  We weren't on great terms with the German empire or the Russian empire or Austrian empire, yet, nearly all of the immigrants came from these places.

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