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#21

(03-04-2024, 09:50 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Foley was easy (more than likely have to draft here. DTs are in the second round in this class: Newton, Sweat, Murphy, Jenkins, Jackson. We shouldn’t trade up and just let whoever fall. The 4/5th round pick required to move up means that we give up a flyer pick on a wr.)

Scherff should be automatic as well(obviously draft and FA here. Draft class is loaded up with OL until the 4th round)

Jenkins next (Johnson is there to replace)

IMO, there’s no reason to cut Cam or Darious. Then there’s Zay. This seems realistic considering this draft is loaded at WR. Every team should be drafting two WRs. I’d be amazed if there was a team that did not draft at least one WR from this class(it’d be interesting to know if that’s ever happened before).

Obviously looks like Ridley will test FA and Allen gets the tag.

Also, seems like a perfect year to take a stab at a clipboard holder in the 5th to 7th round. How about the kid from Western Kentucky?

I got 16 million little and 1 giant drug reasons to cut Robinson. Overpaid, average, and sitting under a Sword of Damocles is no way to fill your roster.
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#22
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(03-04-2024, 08:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:
(03-04-2024, 05:08 PM)Norman Mushari Wrote: Jenkins made some pretty big plays in tge last couple years.

Yes sir he has. Some of the biggest defensive games and plays in franchise history. The game he had against Dallas was legendary. 

His forced fumble against the Titans at home, to win the AFC South and put us in the playoffs was right up there with Clyde Simmons’ interception up in Buffalo.

Jenkins is just shy of having 300 tackles in his last 3 seasons. Back to back 100+tackle seasons and he’s coming off a career high 7 TFL.

He’s trash in coverage tho, and that’s why Antonio Johnson will step in and help give that defense more take aways.

Jenkins started 17 games in 2023 and had 2 ints.
Johnson started 3 games in 2023 and had 2 ints.

On a side note: Looking for tugboat to become a starting guard and maybe an offseason will help a guy like  Abdullah out.

Never a good sign when the defensive backfield is getting tackles in bunches. That means the front 7 is failing or flailing, maybe a little of both

(03-04-2024, 10:39 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: Yeah I'm still assuming sign Allen, tag Ridley.

I'm assuming you'll be disappointed. Maybe angry.
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#23

I don't think they'll sign all of these players, but, this would be my list I would want. I also shared this last night with the 1010XL question of the day poll.

1. Christian Wilkins - DT
2. Jaylon Johnson - CB
3. Robert Hunt - G
4. Andrew James - C
5. Andrew Van Ginkel - OLB/EDGE
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#24

(03-05-2024, 11:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't think they'll sign all of these players, but, this would be my list I would want. I also shared this last night with the 1010XL question of the day poll.

1. Christian Wilkins - DT
2. Jaylon Johnson - CB
3. Robert Hunt - G
4. Andrew James - C
5. Andrew Van Ginkel - OLB/EDGE

I want:

Top Tier
1. Chris Jones
2. Christian Wilkins
3. Lloyd Cushenberry
4. Robert Hunt
5. Bryce Huff

Second Tier
1. Kevin Dotson
2. K.J. Osborn
3. Antoine Winfield, Jr.
4. Jordan Whitehead
5. Shaq Barrett
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#25

(03-05-2024, 11:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 11:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't think they'll sign all of these players, but, this would be my list I would want. I also shared this last night with the 1010XL question of the day poll.

1. Christian Wilkins - DT
2. Jaylon Johnson - CB
3. Robert Hunt - G
4. Andrew James - C
5. Andrew Van Ginkel - OLB/EDGE

I want:

Top Tier
1. Chris Jones
2. Christian Wilkins
3. Lloyd Cushenberry
4. Robert Hunt
5. Bryce Huff

Second Tier
1. Kevin Dotson
2. K.J. Osborn
3. Antoine Winfield, Jr.
4. Jordan Whitehead
5. Shaq Barrett

These are all good players. I think the Winfield Jr. move is probably out of the question. Reason being, they were able to get Mike Evans' deal done. This gives them the ability to tag Winfield Jr. 

I think Chris Jones is interesting. An absolute game wrecker. With him though, it's also interesting because the Chiefs are willing to part ways and allow Sneed to pursue a trade. This makes me think they value Jones a lot more than people realize, even with his age. 

He just means too much to that defense. If Baalke walked out of today with, a Josh Allen deal done, a tag being applied to Calvin Ridley and then somehow signing Wilkins and Hunt to help our interior out on both sides I would strongly walk back a lot of [BLEEP] I have said about him.

Most of us would.
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(03-05-2024, 11:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 11:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I want:

Top Tier
1. Chris Jones
2. Christian Wilkins
3. Lloyd Cushenberry
4. Robert Hunt
5. Bryce Huff

Second Tier
1. Kevin Dotson
2. K.J. Osborn
3. Antoine Winfield, Jr.
4. Jordan Whitehead
5. Shaq Barrett

These are all good players. I think the Winfield Jr. move is probably out of the question. Reason being, they were able to get Mike Evans' deal done. This gives them the ability to tag Winfield Jr. 

I think Chris Jones is interesting. An absolute game wrecker. With him though, it's also interesting because the Chiefs are willing to part ways and allow Sneed to pursue a trade. This makes me think they value Jones a lot more than people realize, even with his age. 

He just means too much to that defense. If Baalke walked out of today with, a Josh Allen deal done, a tag being applied to Calvin Ridley and then somehow signing Wilkins and Hunt to help our interior out on both sides I would strongly walk back a lot of [BLEEP] I have said about him.

Most of us would.

I wouldn't worry about that.
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#28
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2024, 12:13 PM by nhiverson.)

Yep
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#29

(03-05-2024, 12:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1765...31698?s=20

Darious Gone

Pretty much guarantee that we select corner now at 17
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#30

(03-05-2024, 12:14 PM)Craigukjag Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1765...31698?s=20

Darious Gone

Pretty much guarantee that we select corner now at 17
Barring something in FA happening, pretty much yes.

I also wouldn't be mad if they send their 2nd round pick to the Chiefs for Sneed. Take a WR at 17.
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#31

(03-05-2024, 12:15 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:14 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: Pretty much guarantee that we select corner now at 17
Barring something in FA happening, pretty much yes.

I also wouldn't be mad if they send their 2nd round pick to the Chiefs for Sneed. Take a WR at 17.

That or maybe kick the tyres on Lattimore at saints with them in cap hell for the 10th season in a row
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#32

Not going to lie. I think it's a mistake. We're creating an area of need that doesn't have an answer to it already on the roster.

As much confidence that I lack in Little? I would have cut Robinson before Williams. Our secondary just became two positions weaker now.

You now have no outside CB opposite of Campbell and you now have no Slot CB. This is the kind of nonsense that bothers me as a fan.

It's like being on a ship with a hole or two on the bottom of it that's taking on water, but, instead of patching those up they're looking up at the mast and taking down a perfectly good sail.

Like I said earlier, "We cut Williams but we drafted Kool Aid at 17". Great, what area of weakness or weaknesses did you just decide to tolerate again for the third consecutive year because that's ultimately all this move results in.

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#33

(03-05-2024, 12:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Not going to lie. I think it's a mistake. We're creating an area of need that doesn't have an answer to it already on the roster.

As much confidence that I lack in Little? I would have cut Robinson before Williams. Our secondary just became two positions weaker now.

You now have no outside CB opposite of Campbell and you now have no Slot CB. This is the kind of nonsense that bothers me as a fan.

It's like being on a ship with a hole or two on the bottom of it that's taking on water, but, instead of patching those up they're looking up at the mast and taking down a perfectly good sail.

Like I said earlier, "We cut Williams but we drafted Kool Aid at 17". Great, what area of weakness or weaknesses did you just decide to tolerate again for the third consecutive year because that's ultimately all this move results in.

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I don't 100% disagree but there's 2 factors here:

1. His best days are likely behind him and for his pricetag, may not be worth it.
2. The new defense is going to be press corner and that's not Williams.

Get Okudah in FA (played for Nielsen last year) and draft a new player.
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#34

(03-05-2024, 12:17 PM)Craigukjag Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:15 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Barring something in FA happening, pretty much yes.

I also wouldn't be mad if they send their 2nd round pick to the Chiefs for Sneed. Take a WR at 17.

That or maybe kick the tyres on Lattimore at saints with them in cap hell for the 10th season in a row
Yeah they should

(03-05-2024, 12:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Not going to lie. I think it's a mistake. We're creating an area of need that doesn't have an answer to it already on the roster.

As much confidence that I lack in Little? I would have cut Robinson before Williams. Our secondary just became two positions weaker now.

You now have no outside CB opposite of Campbell and you now have no Slot CB. This is the kind of nonsense that bothers me as a fan.

It's like being on a ship with a hole or two on the bottom of it that's taking on water, but, instead of patching those up they're looking up at the mast and taking down a perfectly good sail.

Like I said earlier, "We cut Williams but we drafted Kool Aid at 17". Great, what area of weakness or weaknesses did you just decide to tolerate again for the third consecutive year because that's ultimately all this move results in.

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Also yeah they should be bringing in competition for Campbell he should not be locked as a starter after last year.
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#35

(03-05-2024, 12:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Not going to lie. I think it's a mistake. We're creating an area of need that doesn't have an answer to it already on the roster.

As much confidence that I lack in Little? I would have cut Robinson before Williams. Our secondary just became two positions weaker now.

You now have no outside CB opposite of Campbell and you now have no Slot CB. This is the kind of nonsense that bothers me as a fan.

It's like being on a ship with a hole or two on the bottom of it that's taking on water, but, instead of patching those up they're looking up at the mast and taking down a perfectly good sail.

Like I said earlier, "We cut Williams but we drafted Kool Aid at 17". Great, what area of weakness or weaknesses did you just decide to tolerate again for the third consecutive year because that's ultimately all this move results in.

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I don't 100% disagree but there's 2 factors here:

1. His best days are likely behind him and for his pricetag, may not be worth it.
2. The new defense is going to be press corner and that's not Williams.

Get Okudah in FA (played for Nielsen last year) and draft a new player.
We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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#36

(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I don't 100% disagree but there's 2 factors here:

1. His best days are likely behind him and for his pricetag, may not be worth it.
2. The new defense is going to be press corner and that's not Williams.

Get Okudah in FA (played for Nielsen last year) and draft a new player.
We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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I'm beginning to think they weren't lying when they said they actually think the OL was bad because they never played together. 

I'm gonna scream if Fortner starts another game at center.
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#37

(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I don't 100% disagree but there's 2 factors here:

1. His best days are likely behind him and for his pricetag, may not be worth it.
2. The new defense is going to be press corner and that's not Williams.

Get Okudah in FA (played for Nielsen last year) and draft a new player.
We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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Darious was/is a good corner but he's not good at press. Neither is Campbell really but one of them saves you a lot of money.

Be ready for Okudah and RD1 corner.
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(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I don't 100% disagree but there's 2 factors here:

1. His best days are likely behind him and for his pricetag, may not be worth it.
2. The new defense is going to be press corner and that's not Williams.

Get Okudah in FA (played for Nielsen last year) and draft a new player.
We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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I think it's probably primarily an age/current year price tag thing.  They don't want to reduce the current year salary by signing a 31 year old to some 3 or 4 year deal and they don't want to pay him $11 million for the season because they have other priorities with that cash this year.  Also his dead cap number is $500k or something insignificant.  Had the dead cap been $5 or $6 mil, I bet they would have just kept him for the final year of his deal.
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(03-05-2024, 12:35 PM)Khan Artist Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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I'm beginning to think they weren't lying when they said they actually think the OL was bad because they never played together. 

I'm gonna scream if Fortner starts another game at center.

Has to be fluff. They reportedly interviewed a minimum of 12 offensive lineman and reportedly it was Mike McDaniel and Doug Pederson as the two only known coaches at the combine still on Sunday looking at that group in general. 

That would indicate to me that they're in the market for multiple lineman in this draft at the minimum and they should be in the market next week when free agency starts. 

Like I said. I can stomach them cutting Williams if they do something along the lines of:

1. Signing Allen to a deal before the 1600 deadline time today. 

2. Tag Ridley to ensure he's back as WR1 in 2024 and potentially longer. 

3. Manage to sign a combination of Christian Wilkins at DT and Robert Hunt at G or Jaylon Johnson at CB and Andrew James at C.

All is forgiven if some of the above goes down.
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(03-05-2024, 12:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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Darious was/is a good corner but he's not good at press. Neither is Campbell really but one of them saves you a lot of money.

Be ready for Okudah and RD1 corner.

(03-05-2024, 12:40 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(03-05-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: We're still allocating cap space and a draft pick to add two positions to this secondary which in turn means you're not addressing two positions of need in more critical areas.

I just don't like it. It's early. I know I am overreacting. We'll see what happens. Tagging Allen and losing Ridley though means you have to address WR again.



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I think it's probably primarily an age/current year price tag thing.  They don't want to reduce the current year salary by signing a 31 year old to some 3 or 4 year deal and they don't want to pay him $11 million for the season because they have other priorities with that cash this year.  Also his dead cap number is $500k or something insignificant.  Had the dead cap been $5 or $6 mil, I bet they would have just kept him for the final year of his deal.

Again, I get all of the above, the variables, etc. My concern, for the third straight year in a row though is that they're putting themselves in a position to where they're going to more than likely force this offense into carrying over a weakness or two. 

The odds of them getting or keeping a WR1, an upgraded offensive line in at least two areas becomes that much harder to achieve when you're creating two to three holes already on defense. 

We don't have an outside CB, a nickel CB and a DT/NT now. We know we'll have Josh Allen, whether it's on a franchise tag or a long term deal. Doesn't matter. He's here. We don't have Ridley more than likely in this scenario. 

Again, it's early. I get it. But, my confidence level in this front office is not that high.
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