Quote:It's not like Bortles came in and set the world on fire with the same supporting cast. Aaron Rodgers would have struggled behind the line we rolled out there last year. Jeff Tuel would have been a greasy stain on the field by the end of his fourth drive. The guy couldn't stick behind the all-world quarterback room of E.J. Manuel, Matt Cassel and Tyrod Taylor. Consider that when anointing him the obvious replacement for Henne.
The rookie Bortles came in, and in his very first time seeing the field, played better then Henne, the 7yr vet. As a QB who has been a starter in this league and is a 7 yr vet, why isn't Henne better then he is?
I know the line was bad and there wasn't much of a running game, but I would expect a rookie or 2nd yr player to struggle in those circumstances. I would like to think a 7 yr vet would be able to be more productive then Henne was.
I really don't know much about Tuel, except he went undrafted in 2013 and I really don't expect much from him.
Quote:The rookie Bortles came in, and in his very first time seeing the field, played better then Henne, the 7yr vet. As a QB who has been a starter in this league and is a 7 yr vet, why isn't Henne better then he is?
I know the line was bad and there wasn't much of a running game, but I would expect a rookie or 2nd yr player to struggle in those circumstances. I would like to think a 7 yr vet would be able to be more productive then Henne was.
I really don't know much about Tuel, except he went undrafted in 2013 and I really don't expect much from him.
The people who knew the most about Tuel wouldn't even keep him around as a camp arm.
That alone should tell you volumes.
Quote:The people who knew the most about Tuel wouldn't even keep him around as a camp arm.
That alone should tell you volumes.
Yeah, that's not a very good sign when you get released this early into organized team activities.
It's nearly the dead zone. Claiming Jeff Tuel would've been glanced over the paper 15 years ago. Now, it's been discussed and debated on this message board. No wonder the NFL as a business has never been this strong, the interest is crazy.
Quote:Eh, I think people are a bit too hard on Henne. If he were the starter, I could understand it. But as a backup, he's got the experience to step in if necessary. There's been games he's been god awful in, but that's bound to happen. The only time we should worry about our backup is when we're up by 28 late in the fourth or if god forbid Bortles gets hurt.
Henne needs to go. I'd rather go with Banger. We need to look for someone in case Bortles doesn't work out, or gets hurt. again. And, Henne doesn't exactly inspire as a 'mentor' either. The fact that he is still here really is troubling. We can't know that we definitely have 'the' guy, and we better keep looking until it is absolutely obvious.
Quote:The rookie Bortles came in, and in his very first time seeing the field, played better then Henne, the 7yr vet. As a QB who has been a starter in this league and is a 7 yr vet, why isn't Henne better then he is?
I know the line was bad and there wasn't much of a running game, but I would expect a rookie or 2nd yr player to struggle in those circumstances. I would like to think a 7 yr vet would be able to be more productive then Henne was.
I really don't know much about Tuel, except he went undrafted in 2013 and I really don't expect much from him.
Exactly.
Quote:Henne needs to go. I'd rather go with Banger. We need to look for someone in case Bortles doesn't work out, or gets hurt. again. And, Henne doesn't exactly inspire as a 'mentor' either. The fact that he is still here really is troubling. We can't know that we definitely have 'the' guy, and we better keep looking until it is absolutely obvious.
Thats exactly what I said.
Quote:The rookie Bortles came in, and in his very first time seeing the field, played better then Henne, the 7yr vet. As a QB who has been a starter in this league and is a 7 yr vet, why isn't Henne better then he is?
I know the line was bad and there wasn't much of a running game, but I would expect a rookie or 2nd yr player to struggle in those circumstances. I would like to think a 7 yr vet would be able to be more productive then Henne was.
I really don't know much about Tuel, except he went undrafted in 2013 and I really don't expect much from him.
Bortles didn't struggle as a rookie?
Bortles played better when he first came in because he's a more talented and athletic QB than Henne could ever dream of being. That doesn't trickle down and mean that EVERY QB is better than Henne. Tuel went undrafted for a reason. There's also a reason he's not on the Bills roster any longer. If he winds up sticking around, it's not because he beat Henne out. It's because he was more competent than Morris, and even that's not a given at this point.
Quote:And Henne couldn't beat out some guy named Gabbert.
As far as Kyle Orton is concerned, he just might be a professional backup QB. That's something we could use around here.
Anyone in here want to call Chad Henne "a professional back up QB"?
I'm pretty sure Henne did end up beating out Gabbert, but feel free to rewrite history to push this ludicrous agenda that an unknown guy who has shown nothing in the league when given the chance is a better option than a guy who has experience as a starter with some level of success, albeit inconsistent.
Henne is a professional backup QB. Nobody is asking him to be their starter, and he's still collecting a pay check. I'm pretty sure that's the definition.
Who cares?
I've never seen so much attention placed on guys who shouldn't even see the field or quite possibly may not even be on the roster come September.
Quote:I'm pretty sure Henne did end up beating out Gabbert, but feel free to rewrite history to push this ludicrous agenda that an unknown guy who has shown nothing in the league when given the chance is a better option than a guy who has experience as a starter with some level of success, albeit inconsistent.
Henne is a professional backup QB. Nobody is asking him to be their starter, and he's still collecting a pay check. I'm pretty sure that's the definition.
So you just consider Henne as inconsistent, as far as being a QB? You could say that about a whole lot of QBs out there, even ones without a job right now.
Also, so you remember Henne actually beating out Gabbert, even though Gabbert was named the starter in his last season with the Jags? You don't remember Gus kept starting Gabbert and after every bad game Gabbert had, Gus kept on stating that Gabbert was the starter, even though Henne was the back up with a lot of starting experience? You really don't remember that?
Do you remember the circumstances that lead to Henne finally getting to start games for the Jags? Did Henne finally end up beating out Gabbert for the starting job, like you are pretty sure of or did Gabbert get hurt and Henne got the starting job because of an injury to Gabbert?
Quote:So you just consider Henne as inconsistent, as far as being a QB? You could say that about a whole lot of QBs out there, even ones without a job right now.
Also, so you remember Henne actually beating out Gabbert, even though Gabbert was named the starter in his last season with the Jags? You don't remember Gus kept starting Gabbert and after every bad game Gabbert had, Gus kept on stating that Gabbert was the starter, even though Henne was the back up with a lot of starting experience? You really don't remember that?
Do you remember the circumstances that lead to Henne finally getting to start games for the Jags? Did Henne finally end up beating out Gabbert for the starting job, like you are pretty sure of or did Gabbert get hurt and Henne got the starting job because of an injury to Gabbert?
Like most staffs/Front offices would do, they gave Gabbert every opportunity to prove he was worthy of playing and starting in the NFL. He failed miserably and was benched. That's not really a knock on Henne.
Quote:Bortles didn't struggle as a rookie?
Bortles played better when he first came in because he's a more talented and athletic QB than Henne could ever dream of being. That doesn't trickle down and mean that EVERY QB is better than Henne. Tuel went undrafted for a reason. There's also a reason he's not on the Bills roster any longer. If he winds up sticking around, it's not because he beat Henne out. It's because he was more competent than Morris, and even that's not a given at this point.
Not to mention Bortles looked better at first because he was pretty much an "unknown". After a couple of games where teams had tape on him they were able to game plan better.
Quote:So you just consider Henne as inconsistent, as far as being a QB? You could say that about a whole lot of QBs out there, even ones without a job right now.
Also, so you remember Henne actually beating out Gabbert, even though Gabbert was named the starter in his last season with the Jags? You don't remember Gus kept starting Gabbert and after every bad game Gabbert had, Gus kept on stating that Gabbert was the starter, even though Henne was the back up with a lot of starting experience? You really don't remember that?
Do you remember the circumstances that lead to Henne finally getting to start games for the Jags? Did Henne finally end up beating out Gabbert for the starting job, like you are pretty sure of or did Gabbert get hurt and Henne got the starting job because of an injury to Gabbert?
Quote:Like most staffs/Front offices would do, they gave Gabbert every opportunity to prove he was worthy of playing and starting in the NFL. He failed miserably and was benched. That's not really a knock on Henne.
Exactly. Once Gabbert got injured and Henne came in, he (Henne) actually won (retained) the starting position even though Gabbert was healthy.
Quote:So you just consider Henne as inconsistent, as far as being a QB? You could say that about a whole lot of QBs out there, even ones without a job right now.
Also, so you remember Henne actually beating out Gabbert, even though Gabbert was named the starter in his last season with the Jags? You don't remember Gus kept starting Gabbert and after every bad game Gabbert had, Gus kept on stating that Gabbert was the starter, even though Henne was the back up with a lot of starting experience? You really don't remember that?
Do you remember the circumstances that lead to Henne finally getting to start games for the Jags? Did Henne finally end up beating out Gabbert for the starting job, like you are pretty sure of or did Gabbert get hurt and Henne got the starting job because of an injury to Gabbert?
Gabbert was named the starter to begin the season. Henne replaced him when Blaine was injured. Blaine didn't end the season as the starter, and he was healthy. Last time I checked, that's a pretty good indication Henne won the job because he outperformed Gabbert. Not sure what you were watching. Gabbert may have begun that season the starter, but he lost the job. Twist it any way you need to in order to continue this agenda of yours to portray Henne as the most incompetent QB in the league. He's not. But you keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.
Quote:Like most staffs/Front offices would do, they gave Gabbert every opportunity to prove he was worthy of playing and starting in the NFL. He failed miserably and was benched. That's not really a knock on Henne.
The logic is wasted on your intended target.
Quote:Not to mention Bortles looked better at first because he was pretty much an "unknown". After a couple of games where teams had tape on him they were able to game plan better.
Agreed. One there was film on him to identify tendencies, defenses started to adjust and game plan for him. Add to that the fact that he did hit a wall as a rookie, as expected. He was able to get back on track late in the season, but by that point it was a matter of just getting through the rookie year so that he could continue to work on improving as a QB. He got great experience as a result, and has a better understanding of what it takes to be an effective QB in the NFL. Hopefully, all that experience coupled with his off season efforts to work on his mechanics and learn the playbook will pay off. His offensive coordinator couldn't say enough about his work ethic in an interview yesterday. Bortles is usually one of the first guys in each day, and one of the last to leave.
Quote:Who cares?
I've never seen so much attention placed on guys who shouldn't even see the field or quite possibly may not even be on the roster come September.
It's a chance to take shots at Henne. WHO the guy is they're paying attention to is ultimately irrelevant. As long as they can continue to trash Henne, that's all that really matters.
Quote:Exactly. Once Gabbert got injured and Henne came in, he (Henne) actually won (retained) the starting position even though Gabbert was healthy.
Not to mention the fact they got rid of Gabbert and kept Henne.
Quote:Not to mention the fact they got rid of Gabbert and kept Henne.
Again, this kind of nonsense doesn't help the agenda here. Get with the program.
Quote:The people who knew the most about Tuel wouldn't even keep him around as a camp arm.
That alone should tell you volumes.
Ever heard of Doug Marrone?