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Quote:"This thread is about real cheating, not some half brained ideas." Please, elaborate what you mean by this.

I did.

If you're not cheating you're losing. 

Quote:This, the Colts are a joke, and keep getting off, they never been fined for piped in crowd noise but ATL does. They mess with balls but yet snitch on the Pats. The jags go to the NFL and they do nothing, as soon as the Colts go to the NFL its deflate gate.

 

Oh yea and they have a drug head owner

Funny you say this. I was talking to Andrew Witworth (LT for the Bengals) at work about a month ago and he was telling me about playing in Indy. He said how loud it is there is crazy and that they play music all the time when the offense is trying to talk. 

There's also this little nugget from a PFT article today:

 

After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned.”

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ns-before/

Quote:This, the Colts are a joke, and keep getting off, they never been fined for piped in crowd noise but ATL does. They mess with balls but yet snitch on the Pats. The jags go to the NFL and they do nothing, as soon as the Colts go to the NFL its deflate gate.

 

Oh yea and they have a drug head owner

 

Don't forget about them essentially being the reason for the NFL rules today. If not for the Colts complaining that their WRs kept getting "mugged" by the Patriots secondary, then offenses and QBs wouldn't be throwing for 4k yards like its nothing

Quote:I remember how dumb it was to think players and coaches would damage their career in order to help a franchise get a higher draft pick just so it can turn around and fire the people that were supposedly helping.

 

This thread is about real cheating, not some half brained ideas.

Sincerely,


Lovie Smith and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Quote:Sincerely,


Lovie Smith and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Sincerely,

 

Your imagination.

Quote:Sincerely,


Your imagination.

Cordially,


Your naivete.


I bet you still think we benefitted over that 2011 win over Indy. That momentum sure carried over to 2012!


Lest you are convinced it is just my imagination, the following link may be of some interest.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-bucs-tank-in-sunday-s-loss-to-earn-no--1-draft-pick-143831623.html'>http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-bucs-tank-in-sunday-s-loss-to-earn-no--1-draft-pick-143831623.html</a>


Of note read the various quotes from Smith himself and Demar Dotson.

This from NFL.com....


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-nfl-draft

This from Vito Stellino..


http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/...-no-1-pick

I'm not going to outright say that tanking is common but I will say the entire division had a chance to screw the Colts out of the #1 pick that year that Luck came out and the Jaguars came out firing on all cylinders.

 

The Colts had three straight divisional games at the end of that year and the Texans and Titans lost theirs and had the Jaguars lost theirs, the Rams would've had the #1 pick and we'd be talking about whether RG3 will ever play another down with the Indianapolis Colts again. It sort of bothers me thinking about it.

Quote:I'm not going to outright say that tanking is common but I will say the entire division had a chance to screw the Colts out of the #1 pick that year that Luck came out and the Jaguars came out firing on all cylinders.

 

The Colts had three straight divisional games at the end of that year and the Texans and Titans lost theirs and had the Jaguars lost theirs, the Rams would've had the #1 pick and we'd be talking about whether RG3 will ever play another down with the Indianapolis Colts again. It sort of bothers me thinking about it.

I'm not saying tanking is common in the NFL. Often the talent at the top of an upcoming draft class is not worth it. Most teams are not in a position to benefit much from tanking in any given year. But in a class where there is a guy considered to be a franchise QB at the top, I submit there is minimally a temptation to ensure your access to that guy.


This quote from Lovie Smith is extraordinary...



“The second half, we wanted to look at some more football players. I think that’s not out of the realm of possibilities, to look at some other guys. We’re not going to the playoffs and we have a comfortable lead and we’re going to run the football.

“One win wouldn’t have helped an awful lot. We’re going to feel better when we’re winning our division. Until then, we don’t feel good about a lot except for knowing our roster a lot better and knowing the direction we need to go. If we had won today, we would’ve felt better about this game, but the season as a whole, that’s not where we want to be.’’


This one from Demar Dotson...a Bucs player who played in that game...sheds more doubt on the inviolate nature on week 17 winning...


 "I don't think we were trying to hand the game away. I hope not. Whatever they call, that's what we try to go out and make the best out of it.’’

 

If the team was dead set against tanking, Dotson didn't seem convinced here.

 

"But it was just my imagination...runnin' away with me...."

Quote:I did.

Thank you for your response. Your comment is worthy of all the thought that was put into it.

Quote:Cordially,


Your naivete.


I bet you still think we benefitted over that 2011 win over Indy. That momentum sure carried over to 2012!


Lest you are convinced it is just my imagination, the following link may be of some interest.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-bucs-tank-in-sunday-s-loss-to-earn-no--1-draft-pick-143831623.html'>http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-bucs-tank-in-sunday-s-loss-to-earn-no--1-draft-pick-143831623.html</a>


Of note read the various quotes from Smith himself and Demar Dotson.

That's not tanking a season, that is getting practice for inexperienced players in the meaningless last game of the season and they were very open about what they did.

 

Tanking is a setup that is done deceitfully. Huge difference.

 

It seems like your tin foil hat is on too tight. It appears to have squeezed out your common sense.

Quote:Thank you for your response. Your comment is worthy of all the thought that was put into it.

Apparently your reading skills weren't up to par.

 

Regrettably, retyping what I said won't make you less ignorant.

The Jaguars inflated the colts footballs?

To get with the times, we really should be calling it Deflateghazi.

 

Quote:There's also this little nugget from a PFT article today:

 

After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned.”

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ns-before/

 

That's not new news.  It was reported when it happened.

 

But like with all these reports, the NFL chose not to prevent them from reoccurring.  They happen again and again.

 

It's widely known by many (if not all teams) that there are problems with their comm system in Foxboro.  But apparently the NFL has never bothered investigating.

 

And... they aren't the only ones.  http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/po...iii-helmet

Quote:That's not tanking a season, that is getting practice for inexperienced players in the meaningless last game of the season and they were very open about what they did.

 

Tanking is a setup that is done deceitfully. Huge difference.

 

It seems like your tin foil hat is on too tight. It appears to have squeezed out your common sense.

Nobody said anything about tanking an entire season, but I am glad you finally acknowledge the last regular season game can be meaningless. And I guess the writers from yahoo, NFL.com, and Vito Stellino all wore tinfoil hats raising the question.


Here is a clue. It was a 2-14 team! What would common sense mandate is more valuable to a returning coach and GM: sorting out the very bottom of a 2-14 roster, or getting a franchise QB?


For most it would be getting the franchise QB.


For you? Maybe that same momentum the team rode from 2011 to 2012. Makes sense from the "in Gene we trust" crowd.

Quote:Nobody said anything about tanking an entire season, but I am glad you finally acknowledge the last regular season game can be meaningless. And I guess the writers from yahoo, NFL.com, and Vito Stellino all wore tinfoil hats raising the question.


Here is a clue. It was a 2-14 team! What would common sense mandate is more valuable to a returning coach and GM: sorting out the very bottom of a 2-14 roster, or getting a franchise QB?


For most it would be getting the franchise QB.


For you? Maybe that same momentum the team rode from 2011 to 2012. Makes sense from the "in Gene we trust" crowd.

Last time I checked, the picking order is based on the record for the entire season not 1 game.

 

Tanking is a predetermined strategy that puts you in position over a series of games not one game.

 

Writers aren't the tin foil wearers. Speculation like this is designed to sell stories to the lower IQ people out there who thought it was a good idea to "tank for Clowney" or "tank for Teddy" (btw both of which were strategies that were supposedly in play long before the last game of the season which is what the definition of a tank job actually is).

 

Go ahead an be a fool that believes NFL teams will throw away a season for a draft pick while people with actual sense, ie people who get paid to be a part of the NFL, get reaffirmed the stupidity of tanking by the failure of Clowney and the slide of Teddy.

Predator, go ahead and continue with the personal invective.  It doesn't make your argument any more persuasive.  To the contrary.

 

Yes draft position is based upon an entire season's results.

 

To most, it is painfully obvious one game can make a huge difference in draft order...as the Stellino link illustrates with the Dallas-Green Bay example.  That point seems lost upon you....again.

 

Sell stories to lower IQ people?  Really?  It costs nothing to click and read any of those stories, unless you value the ignorance the facts in those stories tend to reduce.  


Regarding Clowney, I wasn't aware one knee injury means failure.  Regale us with more of your medical "knowledge," please.