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After day one, here are some of my observations:

 

1.  Regarding the "meh" response people seem to have over our Fowler pick, I think Fowler is a pretty good player that fits a position of need.  But I think there is the abiding sense among fans that he wasn't the best player on the board (Williams) and wasn't the biggest need (#1 WR).  My hope for Fowler is that he quickly learns and masters Chris Clemons' spin move....and ditches that entire draft outfit.

 

2.  One surprise was Scherff going to the skins.  I know Washington had a need at RT, but they also had needs in the defensive front 7.  I guess they will do everything to see that RGIII has another chance to succeed.

 

3.  Related to the first two, I was surprised to see Leonard Williams fall as far as he did.  I will say this:  if Leonard Williams is as good as most observers seem to think he is, when they are in a four man front (even with Coples at DE), the Jets will have the biggest, most dominant front four-somewhere between the early 1990s Eagles, 1996 Packers, and 2000 Ravens.

 

4.  I was surprised to see the Bears take Kevin White.  Not knocking White as a player at all, or his selection to fit a need.  But the Bears are transitioning to a 3-4, and there were plenty of guys there, including Danny Shelton, who could have stocked it well.

 

5.  I think Jaguars fans all over groaned a little when the Rams took Gurley.  It was a surprising pick for them, but it was a brilliant pick, too.  The Rams already had good depth at RB with Tre Mason and Zak Stacy.  While Gurley recuperates from his knee injury, there is no need to rush him back.  Once he's healthy, he could be a great fit in Fisher's offensive approach.

 

6.  It was unsurprising-and almost as disappointing-when SD took Gordon.  Once he and Gurley were gone, much of the incentive for the Jaguars to trade back up into the first round was gone.

 

7.  I like what Cleveland did in taking Shelton and Erving.  Those were two sensible picks to bolster their trenches.  Shelton gives them the true NT they have lacked since they thought they were getting with Phil Taylor.  Erving gives Cleveland an insane amount of depth and versatility, plus insurance for when Alex Mack leaves.  But Cleveland neglected WR last year, and paid the price when Josh Gordon got suspended.  All they did was bring in 31 year old Dwayne Bowe.  You have to wonder if they will once again ignore a deep and talented receiver crop as they did last year.  Most teams, when they draft a QB high, they bring in weapons around him.  Considering they were supposedly in talks to get Bradford and possibly trade up for Mariota, I wonder if they are making a statement on Manziel.

 

8.  Detroit's selection of Tomlinson was surprising and disappointing.  I was hoping to snatch him up in the late 2nd or 3rd round.  But Detroit got him, once again leaving Detroit with a need at CB and the Jaguars without a stud at G to take later.

 

9.  Carolina may have gotten Dexter Coakley v.2.0 in Shaq Thompson.  I think he could do well in that front seven, though I wonder what they will do for their OL.

 

10.  Green Bay's pick of Russell from Arizona State really hurt and befuddled me.  His cover ability would have fit in perfectly in the Jaguars' scheme.  When Gordon and Gurley were gone, I was kinda hoping he would fall to us in the second.  But why would Green Bay take him?  They just drafted a fine FS in the first round last year in Clinton-Dix.

 

11.  Denver's pick of Shane Ray was shrewd and disappointing.  He was a guy I was hoping to see drop to our pick.  For him, I wouldn't mind the Jaguars doubling up on edge rushers.  They have brought back Wade Phillips to run a 3-4.  They already had the OLBs in Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware.  Perhaps they keep Ware another year then dump him, or maybe they cut him sooner

 

 12.  How in the world does the Patriots keep getting these stud DTs late in the first round?  First Wilfork, now Brown.  I think that was a great pick for the champs.  Brown will fit in seamlessly for them.

 

13.  I was hurt to see Indy take Phillip Dorsett.  To me it represents a double whammy to the Jaguars.  First, adding him to a group of receivers like T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson, and Donte Moncrief, to say nothing of TEs like Allen and Fleener, will make them deep, versatile, and a nightmare to defend.  They will be able to beat teams with speed and physicality.  At this point, the only secondary I can see that has the personnel to match up with them is the Jets,  Secondly, the Jaguars were looking for a slot WR for Bortles when they pursued Cobb and Jennings and got neither.  Dorsett would have been a great slot WR for Bortles.

I was super pleased to see the Tacks select a QB who doesn't fit their philosophy or system, rather than trade the pick for several #1 picks and good players.

Quote:I was super pleased to see the Tacks select a QB who doesn't fit their philosophy or system, rather than trade the pick for several #1 picks and good players.
I have my doubts about Mariota succeeding in the NFL.

 

He has a good coach, but I don't know if Tennessee helped themselves with this pick.
Nice post Bullseye. I agree with most if not all of your analysis but you need to edit point 8. Tomlinson's not a CB. Far from it in fact. Smile
Quote:Nice post Bullseye. I agree with most if not all of your analysis but you need to edit point 8. Tomlinson's not a CB. Far from it in fact. Smile
I know he isn't a CB.

 

Detroit has had a need for CB for years, and going into this draft, I thought this might be a good year for them to finally get one in the first round.  But when there was the early run on CBs with Waynes, Johnson, and Peters all off the board by KC's pick, there was nothing there for Detroit to take in the first as far as CBs.  I didn't expect them to take a G at that spot, but they nabbed Tomlinson.  They may now have the best pair of guards in the league.

 

But yes...reading it, 8 was poorly constructed.  Will edit.

Quote:I was super pleased to see the Tacks select a QB who doesn't fit their philosophy or system, rather than trade the pick for several #1 picks and good players.
 

I was super pleased the Tacks did not take Williams.   I did not want to have to face him twice a year.   I'm not scared of Mariota.  
The more I think about it the more I am thinking OL should be addressed within the next few rounds.

 

Earlier, I referenced the Jets now having a formidable DL with the addition of Leonard Williams, and marveled at the Patriots' luck in landing stud NTs late with the drafting of Brown.

 

When you add that to Buffalo's already stout defense, and Miami's daunting front four with Wake, Suh, and Vernon, our schedule became much more challenging for our offense.

 

Not that there was no need to build the OL before, but between the AFC East, Houston, and Carolina's front seven, our OL needs to have it together and fast.

Surprises for me:

 

Scherff at 5.

Gurley at 10.

 

Shaq Thompson drafted in the 1st round.

How far does Gregory fall before Dave makes him the pick?

 

How far does Collins fall before Dave says "lets get him?"
Fowler has a phenomenal attitude and work ethic. His size & speed is superb. Anyone that isn't a fan of him mindboggles me.

Quote:How far does Gregory fall before Dave makes him the pick?

 

How far does Collins fall before Dave says "lets get him?"
 

I wouldn't pick Gregory in any round.   I've had enough of these guys with problems to last me a lifetime.   There are enough high-motor, high-character, football-loving, talented guys out there.   I don't want another player who is already in the drug program before he even hits the league.  Have we learned nothing from Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, Dion Jordan?   
Quote:I wouldn't pick Gregory in any round.   I've had enough of these guys with problems to last me a lifetime.   There are enough high-motor, high-character, football-loving, talented guys out there.   I don't want another player who is already in the drug program before he even hits the league.  Have we learned nothing from Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, Dion Jordan?   
 

I agree with you.  I would rather have Eli Harold tbh.  Maybe if he's there in the 6th round or something, but even then I would be scared of him influencing my other players in a negative way.
Quote:The more I think about it the more I am thinking OL should be addressed within the next few rounds.

 

Earlier, I referenced the Jets now having a formidable DL with the addition of Leonard Williams, and marveled at the Patriots' luck in landing stud NTs late with the drafting of Brown.

 

When you add that to Buffalo's already stout defense, and Miami's daunting front four with Wake, Suh, and Vernon, our schedule became much more challenging for our offense.

 

Not that there was no need to build the OL before, but between the AFC East, Houston, and Carolina's front seven, our OL needs to have it together and fast.


I agree with this. It's always sexier to take an offensive skill player but look at the Cowboys' success last year after having that dominant offensive line. They got panned for drafting Travis Frederick but that's turned out pretty well for them. You have to fortify the trenches if you want to push people around.
Quote:Fowler has a phenomenal attitude and work ethic. His size & speed is superb. Anyone that isn't a fan of him mindboggles me.
I agree with all of that.  He was a top 5 prospect in my mind, but I had a couple other guys rated higher and thought we were going another route.  I am interested to see how he is at LEO rather than being moved all over the place.
Quote:I agree with this. It's always sexier to take an offensive skill player but look at the Cowboys' success last year after having that dominant offensive line. They got panned for drafting Travis Frederick but that's turned out pretty well for them. You have to fortify the trenches if you want to push people around.
I agree with this, but I was thinking simply of Bortles' survival against these defenses.
Quote:13.  I was hurt to see Indy take Phillip Dorsett.  To me it represents a double whammy to the Jaguars.  First, adding him to a group of receivers like T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson, and Donte Moncrief, to say nothing of TEs like Allen and Fleener, will make them deep, versatile, and a nightmare to defend.  They will be able to beat teams with speed and physicality.  At this point, the only secondary I can see that has the personnel to match up with them is the Jets,  Secondly, the Jaguars were looking for a slot WR for Bortles when they pursued Cobb and Jennings and got neither.  Dorsett would have been a great slot WR for Bortles.
 

I hated seeing that too.

 

But I honestly wonder if Grigson just ignores the offensive line and defense. That is why they get destroyed by New England every year.
Quote:After day one, here are some of my observations:


4.  I was surprised to see the Bears take Kevin White.  Not knocking White as a player at all, or his selection to fit a need.  But the Bears are transitioning to a 3-4, and there were plenty of guys there, including Danny Shelton, who could have stocked it well.
 

The Bears seem so insistent on changing their strength to Offense.  This team has been historically great on defense and they appear to be getting away from that over the past 5 years.
Quote:The Bears seem so insistent on changing their strength to Offense.  This team has been historically great on defense and they appear to be getting away from that over the past 5 years.
 

They drafted some studs in the early-mid 2000's. Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman. But they never drafted their replacements.

 

I would not be surprised if Chicago is the worst team in the league next year.
I was one of the people defending Fowler, citing his versatility and ability to play the run while he made sense at LEO. Still, closer to the draft, I did fall in love with the possibility of Leonard regardless of fit, of Cooper's presence helping our offense and Blake, and even Beasley's explosiveness. I should have stuck to my gut awhile back when watching these guys when I thought Fowler was the right fit for LEO. In the end, it looked like the Jags brass agreed.

 

I love me some Scherff. Love me some. But #5 is pretty high for him still, IMO and was surprised when he was drafted. They better hope he can transition to RT.

 

The Gurley and Gordon pick was disappointing to say the least. Both would have been targets for us if we decided to trade up for a 1st round pick.

 

Tomlinson is a good player, but don't sleep on AJ McCann. He could be an option at 36th if they felt they need to upgrade Beadles. Same thing with Randall going off the board. There's still a couple of CB to FS convert prospects left, such as Erik Rowe. Those are options still.

 

The selection of Dorsett makes me sad. He'd help that Colts offense. Let's hope Fowler can put Luck on his back before he can find Dorsett.

 

As a side note...

 

Winston, Mariotta, Leonard Williams, Devante Parker, Melvin Gordon, and Beasley.

 

That's the list of the impact first rounders that the Jaguars will face this season.

 

 

I thought it was a pretty bland draft. No huge reaches. Only two minor trades. A few mild surprises but nothing major.


 

What really annoyed me was the commecial break between each pick. The shows (both NFLN & ESPN) were 50% commercials! Next year I'm just going to follow the draft on line.


 

Of course the first commercial break was with the Jags pick in. Some things never change.

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