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Quote:sanders wishes he could be half the man and a tenth of the politician that Ted Cruz is.


That's why healthcare is better in Delaware than Texas? That Salon owner would be making bank, while having affordable access to an insurance plan. So would her employees.
Quote:Medicare, administered by the federal government, is the publicly funded universal health care system in Australia which was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% Medicare levy[1] (with exceptions for low-income earners), with the balance being provided by government from general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separate Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme also funded by the federal government which considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications.


The system works pretty well and would be a good model to follow as I'm sure the British system would be too much to stomach for many.
Quote:The system works pretty well and would be a good model to follow as I'm sure the British system would be too much to stomach for many.


Well this I can agree with.
Quote:That's why healthcare is better in Delaware than Texas? That Salon owner would be making bank, while having affordable access to an insurance plan. So would her employees.
 Delaware is one of the most unhealthy states I have ever lived in, second to Mississippi in my experience!
Two people that I can't stand.

 

Nope. Didn't watch.

 

Two idiots arguing over something neither of them has a real answer for? Is that the basic jist of it?

Quote: Delaware is one of the most unhealthy states I have ever lived in, second to Mississippi in my experience!
Show me numbers.


Just realized I said Delaware. Bernie Sanders is Senator of Vermont. My bad. Anyway here is a breakdown. Vermont is in the top 5.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310628-healthiest-least-healthy-states-in-america'>http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310628-healthiest-least-healthy-states-in-america</a>
The healthiest states in America are mostly in the Northeast: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and New Hampshire score top rankings, while Hawaii is the single healthiest state in the nation, the report finds. It is Hawaii’s fifth consecutive year in the top spot.


The least healthy states are almost entirely in the South. Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, South Carolina and Georgia are the 10 least-healthy states in the nation.

The report examines a bevy of health behaviors and outcomes including everything from smoking, drinking and drug-related deaths to high school graduation rates, air pollution and the amount of fruit the average adult consumes per day.


The least-healthy states show both short- and long-term health challenges. Mississippi residents have the lowest access to medical and dental care and some of the highest obesity, smoking and physical inactivity rates in the nation, signs that the current population is at risk of chronic or acute health problems. The state also has some of the highest percentages of children in poverty and lowest rates of immunization, hinting at health problems ahead for the next generation.
Quote:The system works pretty well and would be a good model to follow as I'm sure the British system would be too much to stomach for many.

how come we never hear about doing the australia model?
Our system was the best prior to 0bamacare.

 

The best model to follow is the one we make in getting it right.  Just like our form of government, no one perfected one until we got it right.  We took the best of what historically had worked best.

 

Why this model isn't used (what we call best practices today) is why we can't have the best.  Too many interests elbowing out the best ideas.

Quote:Our system was the best prior to 0bamacare.


The best model to follow is the one we make in getting it right. Just like our form of government, no one perfected one until we got it right. We took the best of what historically had worked best.


Why this model isn't used (what we call best practices today) is why we can't have the best. Too many interests elbowing out the best ideas.


It was not better before ACA.
Quote:It was not better before ACA.
 

It was, but you'd never admit it or objectively research it to understand why.
Quote:It was, but you'd never admit it or objectively research it to understand why.


Show numbers.
Quote:It was, but you'd never admit it or objectively research it to understand why.


ACA did not fix the issue and there is much work to do. Calling the old system the best is a bold face lie. It's not or was not even close. Unless your wealthy that is.
Look how quiet Pirk got lol
Quote:The healthiest states in America are mostly in the Northeast: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and New Hampshire score top rankings, while Hawaii is the single healthiest state in the nation, the report finds. It is Hawaii’s fifth consecutive year in the top spot.


The least healthy states are almost entirely in the South. Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, South Carolina and Georgia are the 10 least-healthy states in the nation.

The report examines a bevy of health behaviors and outcomes including everything from smoking, drinking and drug-related deaths to high school graduation rates, air pollution and the amount of fruit the average adult consumes per day.


The least-healthy states show both short- and long-term health challenges. Mississippi residents have the lowest access to medical and dental care and some of the highest obesity, smoking and physical inactivity rates in the nation, signs that the current population is at risk of chronic or acute health problems. The state also has some of the highest percentages of children in poverty and lowest rates of immunization, hinting at health problems ahead for the next generation.


I would have assumed Hawaii would be near the bottom. Guess the sun and natural Polynesian constitution helps.
Quote:I would have assumed Hawaii would be near the bottom. Guess the sun and natural Polynesian constitution helps.


Interesting the least healthy states are the most conservative.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167321/highes...h-law.aspx


Also red states have the highest population of uninsured, including Cruz's Texas.


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida, and Louisiana are the states with the highest percentage of uninsured adult residents, but Arkansas is the only one of the five that has chosen to expand Medicaid and to set up its own state exchange in the health insurance marketplace. Of the 12 states with the highest uninsured rates, eight have thus far decided not to expand Medicaid or establish state-based exchanges.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatla...ent=safari


Healthcare cheaper for a few before ACA, mostly unattainable for the rest.
Quote:The healthiest states in America are mostly in the Northeast: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and New Hampshire score top rankings, while Hawaii is the single healthiest state in the nation, the report finds. It is Hawaii’s fifth consecutive year in the top spot.


The least healthy states are almost entirely in the South. Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, South Carolina and Georgia are the 10 least-healthy states in the nation.

The report examines a bevy of health behaviors and outcomes including everything from smoking, drinking and drug-related deaths to high school graduation rates, air pollution and the amount of fruit the average adult consumes per day.


The least-healthy states show both short- and long-term health challenges. Mississippi residents have the lowest access to medical and dental care and some of the highest obesity, smoking and physical inactivity rates in the nation, signs that the current population is at risk of chronic or acute health problems. The state also has some of the highest percentages of children in poverty and lowest rates of immunization, hinting at health problems ahead for the next generation.
 

Where are you getting your data from?

 

 

Quote:Our system was the best prior to 0bamacare.

 

The best model to follow is the one we make in getting it right.  Just like our form of government, no one perfected one until we got it right.  We took the best of what historically had worked best.

 

Why this model isn't used (what we call best practices today) is why we can't have the best.  Too many interests elbowing out the best ideas.
 

I would say it was the best at the time.  Reform was certainly needed, but 0bamacare certainly didn't reform anything of any value.
Quote:Where are you getting your data from?

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310628-healthiest-least-healthy-states-in-america'>http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310628-healthiest-least-healthy-states-in-america</a>


Define "value". The ACA is measurably better than the system prior to its implementation.




I would say it was the best at the time. Reform was certainly needed, but 0bamacare certainly didn't reform anything of any value.
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