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He shouldn't be allowed to play any more. The piece of trash should be in jail. 10 games is him getting off easy. I'm glad the jags didn't sign this violent abuser.

Quote:You might want to let the league know that considering the resources they've invested in their anti domestic violence campaign.

 

Until they update the CBA there is only so much they can do.  I think it is time for the commissioner's office to step aside and have a discipline group and put teeth in the CBA around these issues.  They need to put it in the media and let the pressure shift to the NFLPA

Quote:Until they update the CBA there is only so much they can do.  I think it is time for the commissioner's office to step aside and have a discipline group and put teeth in the CBA around these issues.  They need to put it in the media and let the pressure shift to the NFLPA

Agreed.  I was simply responding to the comment that this is not the "social justice services" we're talking about.  Nobody said it was, but the NFL has certainly inserted themselves into the discussion quite overtly with the ad campaign and the major push to change the policies around domestic violence in the NFL. 

 

Based strictly on what has been confirmed by the NFL in their investigation, and what was provided as testimony in the original criminal case, Hardy is a dirtbag who shouldn't be rewarded for abusing women with a career making millions in the NFL.  Based on the current CBA, there's only so much the league can do here.

the NFL is as dirty, if not more, than Hardy. The NFL as an organization sucks. Goodell sucks.  CBA sucks. It all sucks.

It didn't take long for Greg Hardy's ' character'  to be on display with the Cowboys:

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...on-friday/

Quote:It didn't take long for Greg Hardy's ' character'  to be on display with the Cowboys:

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...on-friday/

 

I'm sure you know so much about him. Please tell us more from your anonymity. 

Quote:It didn't take long for Greg Hardy's ' character'  to be on display with the Cowboys:

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...on-friday/

Well...while it does not say it directly, based upon the article, Hardy perceived the teammate as [BAD WORD REMOVED] his effort and called him on it, and they exchanged words. 

 

While you could certainly question whether Hardy was presumptuous purporting to take a leadership role considering he just got there, hasn't played a down for the team, and as it stands now, won't play a down until week 12 or so, that may not be a negative reflection of his character, absent any other information.

Quote:I'm sure you know so much about him. Please tell us more from your anonymity. 

 

 There's a reason that Greg Hardy got a 10 game suspension on top of being told to stay away from the Carolina Panthers for the last 15 games of the 2014 season.  It wasn't because he was a boy scout!

Quote:Well...while it does not say it directly, based upon the article, Hardy perceived the teammate as [BAD WORD REMOVED] his effort and called him on it, and they exchanged words. 

 

While you could certainly question whether Hardy was presumptuous purporting to take a leadership role considering he just got there, hasn't played a down for the team, and as it stands now, won't play a down until week 12 or so, that may not be a negative reflection of his character, absent any other information.

 

  If Greg Hardy didn't have a character history,  I wouldn't have thought twice about what occurred with his new teammate.    But the history is very difficult to overlook.   Very few players would have gotten into a verbal confrontation with a teammate shortly after joining a team and having a 10 game suspension hanging over him.    At minimum,  Hardy used bad judgment.  

 

  It's going to be interesting to see how the existing leaders on the Cowboys react to this situation.   This is a team that won the NFC East Title in 2014 and came close to advancing to the NFC Championship game.   One thing that we have seen destroy many teams over the years is the lack of team chemistry.  As talented as Hardy is,   he already is making a case that the team is better off w/o him.  Especially,  when considering the money invested in Hardy could have been used in a different manner.  

Quote:  If Greg Hardy didn't have a character history,  I wouldn't have thought twice about what occurred with his new teammate.    But the history is very difficult to overlook.   Very few players would have gotten into a verbal confrontation with a teammate shortly after joining a team and having a 10 game suspension hanging over him.    At minimum,  Hardy used bad judgment.  

 

  It's going to be interesting to see how the existing leaders on the Cowboys react to this situation.   This is a team that won the NFC East Title in 2014 and came close to advancing to the NFC Championship game.   One thing that we have seen destroy many teams over the years is the lack of team chemistry.  As talented as Hardy is,   he already is making a case that the team is better off w/o him.  Especially,  when considering the money invested in Hardy could have been used in a different manner.  

You may be right about that.

 

His teammates may be resentful of a guy with his character baggage trying to be some sort of moral authority in a locker room he barely knows.  Teammates could coalesce on his side or the other over time.

 

But I don't have enough information to label him a reckless antagonist based upon that article.

 

It would behoove him though, to choose his steps wisely.

Quote:You may be right about that.

 

His teammates may be resentful of a guy with his character baggage trying to be some sort of moral authority in a locker room he barely knows.  Teammates could coalesce on his side or the other over time.

 

But I don't have enough information to label him a reckless antagonist based upon that article.

 

It would behoove him though, to choose his steps wisely.

 

 Here's a follow-up story:

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...an-beater/

 

 While I'm certainly not defending Greg Hardy,  if the report in the article is true,  in fairness I wish Davon Coleman would have used better judgment.

 

 Knowing the high football character the Cowboys Defensive Coordinator Rod Marinelli prefers and the overachieving units he led since coming to the Cowboys,  I don't think Greg Hardy is going to help the team chemistry.    There's no question that Hardy has tremendous football ability.   But I don't think he's a good fit on this particular team.    IMO,  he would have been a better fit with the Jimmy Johnson led Cowboys.  

Quote: Here's a follow-up story:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/greg-hardy-flap-escalated-when-teammate-called-him-a-woman-beater/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/greg-hardy-flap-escalated-when-teammate-called-him-a-woman-beater/</a>




While I'm certainly not defending Greg Hardy, if the report in the article is true, in fairness I wish Davon Coleman would have used better judgment.


Knowing the high football character the Cowboys Defensive Coordinator Rod Marinelli prefers and the overachieving units he led since coming to the Cowboys, I don't think Greg Hardy is going to help the team chemistry. There's no question that Hardy has tremendous football ability. But I don't think he's a good fit on this particular team. IMO, he would have been a better fit with the Jimmy Johnson led Cowboys.

You have a real problem admitting you're wrong. Just stop before looking anymore foolish

Quote:You have a real problem admitting you're wrong. Just stop before looking anymore foolish

 

It's you who has proven to look foolish in less than 50 posts. 

 

I have absolutely no problem admitting I'm wrong.   I've done so on this Message Board a multitude of times in the 12 + years I've participated here.

 

I'm not going to defend someone like Greg Hardy,  who a judge found guilty of communicating threats and assaulting a woman.   If you think Hardy has earned the benefit of the doubt,  that's your right to believe that.    I'm glad the NFL gave him a 10 game suspension on top of being told to stay away from Game # 2 on in 2014.  

Quote:You have a real problem admitting you're wrong. Just stop before looking anymore foolish

HARDY is still a piece of garbage. Case closed.

Quote:It's you who has proven to look foolish in less than 50 posts.


I have absolutely no problem admitting I'm wrong. I've done so on this Message Board a multitude of times in the 12 + years I've participated here.


I'm not going to defend someone like Greg Hardy, who a judge found guilty of communicating threats and assaulting a woman. If you think Hardy has earned the benefit of the doubt, that's your right to believe that. I'm glad the NFL gave him a 10 game suspension on top of being told to stay away from Game # 2 on in 2014.

Anytime someone has to tell me how long they've been somewhere to defend their position tells me they're talking out of their [BLEEP]. He wasn't found guilty, your ignorance of NC law is your problem. Good luck to being a white knight on the internet. And don't try to introduce yourself to me at the game. I have no interest in talking to you.

Quote:You have a real problem admitting you're wrong. Just stop before looking anymore foolish

D6 is one of the most knowledgeable and well respected posters on this board.


While nobody is agreed with by everyone at all times, in my years of experience dealing with him, he is usually quite reasonable and measured in his takes.


Though it is fair to say he and I are not in lockstep agreement on this issue, I believe you have misjudged him here...not that he needs me to defend him.

Quote:Anytime someone has to tell me how long they've been somewhere to defend their position tells me they're talking out of their [BAD WORD REMOVED]. He wasn't found guilty, your ignorance of NC law is your problem. Good luck to being a white knight on the internet. And don't try to introduce yourself to me at the game. I have no interest in talking to you.

 

  The difference to how Bullseye has discussed this situation and how you are coming across is like day and night.   Regardless of what you think of me,  which I could care less,  you can learn something from him if you have an open mind.  

 

   You would be surprised what I know about the NC law.   However,  I'm sure the NFL legal team knows more about NC Law than the vast majority of people,  including us.   Yet,  the NFL determined that Greg Hardy warranted being suspended for 10 games.    Players don't get suspended for that long unless there's valid reasons for the decision.

 

   By all means,  put me on ignore.  

Quote:D6 is one of the most knowledgeable and well respected posters on this board.


While nobody is agreed with by everyone at all times, in my years of experience dealing with him, he is usually quite reasonable and measured in his takes.


Though it is fair to say he and I are not in lockstep agreement on this issue, I believe you have misjudged him here...not that he needs me to defend him.

 

  Thanks,  Bullseye.

 

  As always,  I appreciate your insight,  perspective,  and people skills.   

 

  Even when we totally don't agree as in the case of the topic we discussed earlier today,   I gain from the experience of our direction discussion or when I read your replies to other participants on the MB.

Quote:  Thanks,  Bullseye.

 

  As always,  I appreciate your insight,  perspective,  and people skills.   

 

  Even when we totally don't agree as in the case of the topic we discussed earlier today,   I gain from the experience of our direction discussion or when I read your replies to other participants on the MB.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...?cid=yahoo

 

looks like things are going well for hardy already. 

 

edit: apparently already posted haha

Quote:D6 is one of the most knowledgeable and well respected posters on this board.


While nobody is agreed with by everyone at all times, in my years of experience dealing with him, he is usually quite reasonable and measured in his takes.


Though it is fair to say he and I are not in lockstep agreement on this issue, I believe you have misjudged him here...not that he needs me to defend him.

Usually being the keyword there. But if you gain respect by belittling post count I would rethink a lot of things.