Quote:MJD was Gabbert's teammate for several years. I think i would take his point on the playbook and maybe Gabbert did struggle with NFL offenses. I think the point about Gabbert and Mariota was that Mariota is not as polished as Winston. Mariota like Gabbert came from a spread offense to NFL offenses, its not easy to go from a spread to a pro style. And Mariota likes to run the ball as well, again, running QB have had hard times transitioning. I think like Gabbert, Mariota either needs the perfect system or should sit a year and develop. Gabbert should of had that....but was thrown into a fire with a team in flames ( jaguars) and just never was able to get it going.
I definitely think Gabbert is not a franchise player, and his internal clock was all messed up. But i think Mariota may run into the same issues if he is thrown into the fire just like Gabbert was.
so did cam newton, so did manziel, so did derek carr to an extent, working mostly from pistol or shotgun...
Quote:That would certainly explain Gabbert's tendency to look lost in the pocket.
Of course, the same issues he had with learning the playbook were there for Garrard. He was another QB who needed the playbook reduced to make it manageable.
QB is the most important position to have. But it sometimes does not solve everything. Que the Manning/Brady/Rogers comparisons and how they can do it on their own, but the fact is, you gotta get really lucky to land those type of prospects. Most teams don't have that and sometimes you may have to actually build a complete roster to fine tune the product.
I think this makes Gene Smith look 10 times worse now because i remember on draft day how teams who needed a QB kept passing on him. Spread offense QB, not great stats in college, great workout player, cant get it done on game day. Blaine Gabbert was not going to be a good NFL QB because he simply did not have it. He struggled in the pocket and getting the plays down. Combines and wonderlic scores are great, but that does not automatically make you a great pro. Trading up and taking a prospect who most thought needed a year to learn, and then making him start day 1 on a really really bad Jaguars team did not bode well for his confidence. And now we are hearing he struggled with the playbook? Yikes....what a disaster.
I think it makes total sense on why he was so bad. Add to the fact the jaguars were completely horrible in every aspect of the game under his tenure here, him constantly under pressure and yea...i could see his internal clock getting worse because of that. But yea, maybe the spread offense transition was a struggle for him. Just because you graduated college does not mean you can to brain surgery, broad example but just because Gabbert scored well on the Wonderlic does not mean he will pick up an NFL offense.
Quote:so did cam newton, so did manziel, so did derek carr to an extent, working mostly from pistol or shotgun...
ummm Manziel is not a good professional QB sir, horrible example, derek carr? TBD
Quote:ummm Manziel is not a good professional QB sir, horrible example, derek carr? TBD
thats my point. there were plenty of NFL players talking about how they would take manziel, how manziel was great.... so far, so bad.
cam newton ran that offense, does MJD think cam newton is the same as gabbert? did you hear any players before the draft saying they wouldnt want cam? nope.
the players dont know anymore than we do.
I think this was just a wrong choice of words by MJD. I don't think he meant that Blaine didn't understand the playbook. What I think he meant is that Blaine, because he's not used to running complex NFL offenses, struggled making decisions at the NFL level.
I distinctly remember several players commenting (might be Blaine's 2nd year or 3rd year) that the other players didn't know the playbook/didn't know where to line-up and Blaine was the one telling people where to go and what to do. This was early in camp as well (indicating that Blaine picked up the new playbook faster than some if not most of the players in the offense).
Quote:thats my point. there were plenty of NFL players talking about how they would take manziel, how manziel was great.... so far, so bad.
cam newton ran that offense, does MJD think cam newton is the same as gabbert? did you hear any players before the draft saying they wouldnt want cam? nope.
the players dont know anymore than we do.
You can cherry pick all you want but Cam Newton is a good NFL player. He is known for his speed, but he does not do that as much with Carolina, he actually tweaked his game a bit and he has come under criticism. I think that was a very rare occasion that a spread QB has made the transition.
Quote:the players dont know anymore than we do.
Regarding Mariota or any other draft prospects,,, you may be right.
Regarding Gabbert struggling to learn a playbook that MJD had to learn and use also,,, the player would know much, much more than we do in that case.
Quote:Regarding Mariota or any other draft prospects,,, you may be right.
Regarding Gabbert struggling to learn a playbook that MJD had to learn and use also,,, the player would know much, much more than we do in that case.
i concur, i never argued that facet of the post.
Quote:You can cherry pick all you want but Cam Newton is a good NFL player. He is known for his speed, but he does not do that as much with Carolina, he actually tweaked his game a bit and he has come under criticism. I think that was a very rare occasion that a spread QB has made the transition.
I think Alex Smith came from the spread. Did Aaron Rodgers as well?
Quote:I think Alex Smith came from the spread. Did Aaron Rodgers as well?
i believe dalton and tannehill as well....
Quote:I think this was just a wrong choice of words by MJD. I don't think he meant that Blaine didn't understand the playbook. What I think he meant is that Blaine, because he's not used to running complex NFL offenses, struggled making decisions at the NFL level.
I distinctly remember several players commenting (might be Blaine's 2nd year or 3rd year) that the other players didn't know the playbook/didn't know where to line-up and Blaine was the one telling people where to go and what to do. This was early in camp as well (indicating that Blaine picked up the new playbook faster than some if not most of the players in the offense).
This makes the most sense to me. And bodes badly for Mariota, he never made more than a single read in college, not a good sign moving forward
Quote:i believe dalton and tannehill as well....
I stand corrected if that is true. I did not think Rogers was a spread QB in college, thats interesting. I mean Tannehill and Smith are not like......worldclass franchise QB, there good, but i still think Tannehill needs to improve. In general, the spread does not bode well going into the NFL.
Quote:I stand corrected if that is true. I did not think Rogers was a spread QB in college, thats interesting. I mean Tannehill and Smith are not like......worldclass franchise QB, there good, but i still think Tannehill needs to improve. In general, the spread does not bode well going into the NFL.
I prefer a pro style guy but they're harder and harder to come by.
I really thought tannehill was going to take a bit of a step forward last year but he remained kinda the same. No improvement. He's still young and raw so maybe he gets there, maybe not.
Quote:That would certainly explain Gabbert's tendency to look lost in the pocket.
Of course, the same issues he had with learning the playbook were there for Garrard. He was another QB who needed the playbook reduced to make it manageable.
I'd take Garrard over Gabbert with any playbook any day of the week and twice on Sunday.