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Quote:Interesting:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articl...-bush-next

 

His next target is Jeb Bush.

These articles are good. They highlight the extent of corruption. Will people listen? No, no they will not

Because these investigations are now coming from traditional leftist publications like the NY Times and Washington Post, it's pretty clear this isn't a matter of getting all this stuff out of the way early in the election process.  Much like 2008, the party doesn't want Clinton to be their standard bearer.  Someone has decided it's time to take her out.  They're dumping so much information out there now that it's impossible to think anything else.  It's so bad that the Clintons are actually now trying to cover their tracks by re-stating their tax returns for the past few years with the IRS. 

 

Their "foundation" has a 15% pass through.  Meanwhile, the Clintons have become wealthy off their charity.  Like top 1% of the top 1% wealthy.  People don't get rich off of charities unless they're corrupt dirtbags.  The Clintons fit that description to a tee.

Quote:Don't doubt the power of the Clinton's I just don't see how even with all the dirt she isn't the nominee. I mean it's not like anyone really believed the Clinton's where clean before.

Cankles doesn't have the Teflon capabilities her husband does, and Bubba only avoids major catastrophes because he's a charming guy.  Hillary is about as charming as a rattle snake.

Quote:Because these investigations are now coming from traditional leftist publications like the NY Times and Washington Post, it's pretty clear this isn't a matter of getting all this stuff out of the way early in the election process.  Much like 2008, the party doesn't want Clinton to be their standard bearer.  Someone has decided it's time to take her out.  They're dumping so much information out there now that it's impossible to think anything else.  It's so bad that the Clintons are actually now trying to cover their tracks by re-stating their tax returns for the past few years with the IRS. 

 

Their "foundation" has a 15% pass through.  Meanwhile, the Clintons have become wealthy off their charity.  Like top 1% of the top 1% wealthy.  People don't get rich off of charities unless they're corrupt dirtbags.  The Clintons fit that description to a tee.

 

I agree they are the low of the lows, but I think everyone already knew that. The people that support her won't care and the people that do care already knew this and didn't support her.

Quote:Cankles doesn't have the Teflon capabilities her husband does, and Bubba only avoids major catastrophes because he's a charming guy.  Hillary is about as charming as a rattle snake.

 

Perhaps, Bill did get away with more then most people.

Run Bernie, run!


As for the Clintons, I'm the last person to defend them. NAFTA and the deregulation of the banks happened under Bill's watch...


If this enlightenment of how money has corrupts both parties and we don't see major pushes to get money out of campaigns, we're all toast.

Quote:I agree they are the low of the lows, but I think everyone already knew that. The people that support her won't care and the people that do care already knew this and didn't support her.

 

Pretty much how I see it, personally I think they're getting all this [BLEEP] thrown out early so people don't care about it when the primaries roll around.    

Quote:Pretty much how I see it, personally I think they're getting all this [BAD WORD REMOVED] thrown out early so people don't care about it when the primaries roll around.    

 

I'll truly be shocked if at the end of the day our two options are not Clinton and Bush.

Quote:I'll truly be shocked if at the end of the day our two options are not Clinton and Bush.

 

If that's the case, I would probably vote for a third party candidate for the first time in my life.  I've always thought that the Clintons were among the most if not THE most corrupt politicians.  I am also tired of the establishment wing of the Republican party.

Quote:If that's the case, I would probably vote for a third party candidate for the first time in my life.  I've always thought that the Clintons were among the most if not THE most corrupt politicians.  I am also tired of the establishment wing of the Republican party.

 

Welcome to the resistance.

Quote:Run Bernie, run!


As for the Clintons, I'm the last person to defend them. NAFTA and the deregulation of the banks happened under Bill's watch...


If this enlightenment of how money has corrupts both parties and we don't see major pushes to get money out of campaigns, we're all toast.

I like Bernie. He's not very electable in the general election, let alone the Dem primaries. 

Quote: Welcome to the resistance.

 

I know you and I don't agree on much -- but we definitely need more than two parties.  It's helped create a culture of "What can I do to get re-elected" rather than "What can I do to serve the public" in part because of the two party system where everyone has joined a team.

Quote:I know you and I don't agree on much -- but we definitely need more than two parties.  It's helped create a culture of "What can I do to get re-elected" rather than "What can I do to serve the public" in part because of the two party system where everyone has joined a team.

First Past the Post and campaign finance corruption are the biggest threats to the future of our nation. 

Quote:I know you and I don't agree on much -- but we definitely need more than two parties.  It's helped create a culture of "What can I do to get re-elected" rather than "What can I do to serve the public" in part because of the two party system where everyone has joined a team.

 

We agree on stuff we just disagree on how to fix it lol

Quote:I know you and I don't agree on much -- but we definitely need more than two parties.  It's helped create a culture of "What can I do to get re-elected" rather than "What can I do to serve the public" in part because of the two party system where everyone has joined a team.

 

This ^^.  That is why I will not vote for an "establishment" candidate regardless of party.

Quote:If that's the case, I would probably vote for a third party candidate for the first time in my life.  I've always thought that the Clintons were among the most if not THE most corrupt politicians.  I am also tired of the establishment wing of the Republican party.

 

You may be joined by a number of people (not enough to really matter, but still ...).

 

I don't know who you support but you probably don't want to look too closely as to where they get their money. There are very few saints in the political big leagues.

 

For all you self-righteous anti-Clintonistas, who among your guys will cast the first stone?  

Quote:You may be joined by a number of people (not enough to really matter, but still ...).

 

I don't know who you support but you probably don't want to look too closely as to where they get their money. There are very few saints in the political big leagues.

 

For all you self-righteous anti-Clintonistas, who among your guys will cast the first stone?  

 

I don't agree.   I am not a right-wing ideologue, or a Republican.   My vote swings back and forth.  

 

I sincerely think the Clintons go way over the line in using public service to enrich themselves.  Far more than anyone else I've ever seen.  

 

Hey, if you have an example of someone else doing this, bring it up.  I can't think of anyone.  

Quote:I don't agree. I am not a right-wing ideologue, or a Republican. My vote swings back and forth.


I sincerely think the Clintons go way over the line in using public service to enrich themselves. Far more than anyone else I've ever seen.


Hey, if you have an example of someone else doing this, bring it up. I can't think of anyone.

You should do some research on Chris Christie. Also, how Halliburton got rich off the Bush Iraq war is pretty despicable... oh and Scott walker and the kochs is also interesting.


Money in politics is dangerous on both sides...


Again, I can't stand the Clintons either, but to think they are head and shoulders above the rest is to just admit the others haven't been outed to this extent. They are all tainted, the media just chooses to look the other way.


I mean the billionaire primaries on the republican side is just as bad...


Koch and addleson (sp?) Basically have all the republicans come and beg for their money. You don't think there is a quid pro quo going on there???

Quote:We agree on stuff we just disagree on how to fix it lol

I bet you there's a middle ground compromise we could all live with...

Quote:I like Bernie. He's not very electable in the general election, let alone the Dem primaries.

Yeah, I'm realistic... unfortunately he's just not "sexy" enough to get any play on main stream media. It's sad, but it's reality.