OK, let's assume we trade with Cleveland and get both the 12th and 19th overall picks. Sitting there really changes who look at doesn't it?
I think we could pull a Dallas Cowboys and convert a LT to LG like they did with Zach Martin. Maybe a Lb like Kendricks from UCLA. I think there are a lot of potential moves in such a hypothetical situation. The problem centers around how you view the top 5 talents and how you value the talent in the middle of the 1st.
If we do that expect Gurley or Gordon with one of those picks.
If we had 12 and 19, I would want Parker(12) and Gurley/Gordon(19). Parker could give us a #1 WR/Deep Threat and then Gurley or Gordon would give us a top notch RB. Then, R2 get a guy like Eli Harold to groom as our LEO and there you go. Hellacious draft with 5 rounds still to go.
Nice sized drop off in talent from #3 to #12.. Would rather have Williams or Fowler and let the rest of the chips fall where they may..
Quote:Nice sized drop off in talent from #3 to #12.. Would rather have Williams or Fowler and let the rest of the chips fall where they may..
Agreed. It would be disaster to trade for 12 & 19.
I think Bud Dupree would have to be #12.
Quote:Agreed. It would be disaster to trade for 12 & 19.
Not if Parker, Gregory or Dupree are available at 12 and Beckham, Shelton, Armstead or Gurley are available at 19.
Yeah you'd have to pick Gregory or Parker at 12, and one of Gurley or Gordon at 19.
If you take Parker then you have to ensure that you get Harold (who I think has a lot of upside) with the next pick. Even if you need to trade up a few spots. You're probably looking to take Harold if we end up with Williams at 3 anyway
It's fun to speculate and all, but how likely is a trade like this to happen? I don't see the Browns doing this at all.
Man, everyone has such intriguing ideas. Kinda along my line of thinking. Dupree and Gordon or Gurley. I like the idea of grabbing Parker and Gordon/Gurley, in the hopes that Harold would be there at 36. If not Harold, then a great oline pick or good slot receiver selection.
Or how about Shelton and Harold, taking a guy like Ajayi in the 2nd
It is a drop off from 3 to 12 but two for one is pretty nice. Given I doubt this happens at all. But I would believe we would take a risk on Gurley at 19 if he is on the board still. At 12 it all depends, could have a nice range of players who slipped out of the top 10 even.
The way to look at it is this: is the talent gap from 19 to 36 going to be huge?i don't think so.
Is the talent gap from 3 to 12 huge? Yes, you miss out on the elite prospects.
I don't think its worth it.
Quote:The way to look at it is this: is the talent gap from 19 to 36 going to be huge?i don't think so.
Is the talent gap from 3 to 12 huge? Yes, you miss out on the elite prospects.
I don't think its worth it.
I don't necessarily agree that drop off from 3-12 is huge.
Gregory, if there at 12 isn't a huge drop off from Fowler/Vic.
Parker, if there at 12 isn't a huge drop off from cooper/white.
Is there a drop off? Yes.
Does getting Gurley at 19 off set that drop off?
You betcha
It's a moot point debating. If Caldwell doesn't think the drop off in talent from 3 to 12 isn't great, he will do a tradeback.
If he thinks that at #3, he's getting elite talent, he will stay and pick.
I'd take Dupree or Gregory at 12 then Cameron Erving at 19 to solidify the center position. Then gimmie a stud RB at round two who can plow between the gap that would be empty space between Erving and Linder.
Quote:It's a moot point debating. If Caldwell doesn't think the drop off in talent from 3 to 12 isn't great, he will do a tradeback.
If he thinks that at #3, he's getting elite talent, he will stay and pick.
That goes without saying. But the way you put your previous response, you weren't talking about Dave. You phrased it as your opinion. I countered with mine.
The fact that there is so much uncertainty in the top of this draft leads me to believe that the players in the top 10-15 are much closer than you think. Even Dave has openly talked about the possibility of trading back, even more than in years past (a comment he specifically volunteered) further reinforces my belief.
It all depends on the two QBs. If one of them is there at #3, I'd be very surprised if the Jaguars pass and stay put rather than trading back to get more value.
Quote:I'd take Dupree or Gregory at 12 then Cameron Erving at 19 to solidify the center position. Then gimmie a stud RB at round two who can plow between the gap that would be empty space between Erving and Linder.
~another good idea~
Scherff/La'El Collins at 12, and Gurley or Gordon at 19. Instant running game.
Also like the idea of Danny Shelton or Randy Gregory at 12, Malcom Brown or Shane Ray at 19. Would also be happy with just two linemen and sweep that problem under the rug immediately.
Quote:It's fun to speculate and all, but how likely is a trade like this to happen? I don't see the Browns doing this at all.
Josh Gordon is pretty much done in Cleveland. I could see it for Kevin White or Coopdawg
It's also not totally unfathomable that they have interest in Mariota
One of the picks has to be Gurley and the other just matters who's there