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Quote:And then come back to that play with the bootleg play action to the other side.


Kubiak has made a career from those two plays.

Kubiak definitely used his TEs in that fashion in Houston.

 

Interestingly enough --  the first play is a toss sweep to Marion Barber used by the Cowboys in '06 that was very effective for them.  

 

The second is a Pats "pull-tackle" that was very effective in the same season and resulted at least one TD for L. Maroney.   The Pats would actually throw from that power-run formation at times (lone WR on right side of formation not shown) thus keeping it from being more than an 8 man box on D. 

It's kind of an unspoken thing, but nothing changes coverage more than an unbalanced line.


Going with a TE - WB combination look gives fits to the defense because you are forcing either a LB or a Safety from the other side to commit.


I'm looking at your post on my phone so I may not be seeing the entire picture, but I do like throwing out of a single WR set.

Quote:It's kind of an unspoken thing, but nothing changes coverage more than an unbalanced line.


Going with a TE - WB combination look gives fits to the defense because you are forcing either a LB or a Safety from the other side to commit.


I'm looking at your post on my phone so I may not be seeing the entire picture, but I do like throwing out of a single WR set.

 

If IIRC, we ran this formation quite a bit during the JDR days. Can't remember which OC it was (I mean, seriously who can? JDR changed OC as often as the weather changed in Jax lol). I'm leaning towards maybe Dirk, because I vaguely recall that one WR being Reggie or Ernest. It was a very run-oriented formation, with chunks of big play (when we threw the ball) going off play action.

Quote:If IIRC, we ran this formation quite a bit during the JDR days. Can't remember which OC it was (I mean, seriously who can? JDR changed OC as often as the weather changed in Jax lol). I'm leaning towards maybe Dirk, because I vaguely recall that one WR being Reggie or Ernest. It was a very run-oriented formation, with chunks of big play (when we threw the ball) going off play action.

There is a specific play from that Era that jumps to mind; Leftwich at QB and Wilford as the lone WR. The play went for either a TD, or a First Down and a long gain.


Wouldn't mind seeing that kind of thing around here again.

So, now trying to go with a more balanced set, but one that attacks different levels of the Defense and also threatens Run or Pass:

 

 

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 The Players (from left to right):


 

5 -Typical outside Receiver that can threaten deep. He's going to run an Option route where at 12 yards he can either break towards the post, or out towards the sideline.


 

4 - Slot guy to go over the middle. He's going to run for seven yards, then turn in to either split a dual Safety look, or threaten a single Safety.


 

2 - Third down back that can handle a read option handoff. He needs to threaten the LOS with a run, and also be able to swing out for a Screen Pass.


 

1 - QB. Think of a word that rhymes with "Bortles".


 

6 - Typical Tight End, maybe not Julius Thomas in the fact that this guy is going to block first, then release downfield.


 

3 - This is Julius Thomas. You motion him back towards the formation threatening the Crack Block on the DE, or a simple downfield release. Gives the QB two big targets on one side of the field.


 

 

The Play


 

As stated above, 5 and 4 run identical routes except 4 always breaks inside. 5 reads his coverage and goes whichever way the DB is not.


 

2 runs a Read Option with the QB keying the option man who is typically the Playside (our right) DE. If the play turns into a pass, 2 drives downfield, then towards the Sideline as a Safety valve.


 

6 gives a patty cake block on a LB, then releases up the seam in order to threaten the Safety.


 

3 goes in motion towards the formation and can either crack the DE, or break downfield and then angle towards the Sideline.


 

                  

The Jaguars use zone blocking under HC Gus Bradley usually inside zone (IZ), outside zone (OZ) and stretch.  The OZ has a tatic of Pin & Pull where the lineman attempts to pin the backside defensive linemen, while the next backside offensive linemen pulls around the block and up to a track to the second level.

 

One should take that into consideration when creating plays.

Quote:The Jaguars use zone blocking under HC Gus Bradley usually inside zone (IZ), outside zone (OZ) and stretch.  The OZ has a tatic of Pin & Pull where the lineman attempts to pin the backside defensive linemen, while the next backside offensive linemen pulls around the block and up to a track to the second level.

 

One should take that into consideration when creating plays.

 

I have to tell you, I've been thinking about your post here for the past few days and it doesn't really make sense to me. the Pin and Pull to me is what I call a 'Fold' block but it's more commonly used in "down" blocking scheme; in other words, the Linemen (or at least a majority of them) are blocking in the opposite direction as the play. This runs counter to what I think of when I think 'Outside Zone' (OZ), but I am by no means an expert on Zone Blocking. I'll try and diagram what I am talking about below, but technology may be an obstacle here:

 

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So I can't find a way to post up a photo of an OZ play, so I am posting a link to a Google Images search results page. These plays all show the Linemen flowing in the direction of the play, and using a "reach" block to seal off the Defender to their playside. Now, I have coached up a Down Blocking scheme where you Fold Block the Playside Guard around the Tackle, provided that the Guard's blocking assignment is a Linebacker that is inside of him. In this case, the Tackle will block "away" from the play direction (the Pin maybe?) and the Guard will fold around (the Pull) in the direction of the play. Is this what you're talking about?

Quote:Cute.  

 

Here's some two-TE sets that won't have Bortles scrambling and throwing to his capable second-year receivers. 

 



 

 

In both of those examples you dont expect a fast edge rusher (RE or OLB) to get to the QB or HB quickly as the LT has to run around two TEs (which are typically faster than LTs) and our TE Thomas isnt that good at blocking (and he doesnt enjoy doing it not to mention Lewis is no Kyle at the blocking either).

 Deacon, I might be wrong I often am and I try to learn from my mistakes.   I might add that most of us fans are not experts in anything related to football (or they would inform you of such like players whom post as an example), and we simply enjoy sharing ideas and opinions. 

 

I clicked on the link and I think you are refering to an inside zone blocking scheme as example of one you had in your link;

 



 

Here is a great link to understanding zone blocking to any interested

 

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/201...is-diagram

 

In the link above it describes the block in the play above as;

 

<b>B: </b>Lead Step (Zone Step)- This is a six inch step at a 45 degree angle used mainly for the inside zone play. Designed help get in front of the defender when he is shaded towards the play side.

 

 

 

To my left is an example of an outside zone blocking scheme.  I am not sure what they used in Oakland with our new OC.

I enjoy these discussions. 

Quote:Deacon, I might be wrong I often am and I try to learn from my mistakes. I might add that most of us fans are not experts in anything related to football (or they would inform you of such like players whom post as an example), and we simply enjoy sharing ideas and opinions.


I clicked on the link and I think you are refering to an inside zone blocking scheme as example of one you had in your link;




Here is a great link to understanding zone blocking to any interested

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/5/27/4363750/zone-blocking-running-football-breakdown-highlights-analysis-diagram'>http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/5/27/4363750/zone-blocking-running-football-breakdown-highlights-analysis-diagram</a>


In the link above it describes the block in the play above as;

B: Lead Step (Zone Step)- This is a six inch step at a 45 degree angle used mainly for the inside zone play. Designed help get in front of the defender when he is shaded towards the play side.



To my left is an example of an outside zone blocking scheme. I am not sure what they used in Oakland with our new OC.

From my perspective, you have listed two plays that are not only completely different, but are from completely different offensive mindsets. The top picture is a Read Option set from a Pistol look where "Z" is in pre-snap motion and after the snap, the QB reads the playside DE ("E" in your diagram) for the give/keep read and then runs a traditional Option route with "T" maintaining pitch relationship with him. The idea seems to be to mesh the Triple Option with Zone blocking but in my mind that really makes no sense, but whatever. I've been wrong before.

 

The second diagram is a more traditional Zone play but seems to be an Inside Zone based on the dotted lines that seem to indicate the RB's choice on the play. The Linemen are all stepping to the playside, but seem to be doing a "staggered" count. The LT takes the man over him (E) but the LG takes the man over (N). The Center is taking the first man behind (M) and I'm assuming he is trying to delay the Nose by stepping into him, then swinging around. RG takes the next man down (E) and RT uses the same technique as C and pulls up to the LB behind him (B). The TE tries to reach the Strong Safety.

 

Pictures aside, I don't really feel that the blocking scheme need to be of too much concern when drawing up a play. I say this because no matter what technique you plan on using (GOL, GOD, GOOD, Zone, etc) you still have five players dedicated to block.


I think this is especially relevant since in the modern nfl, teams run multiple systems all the time. You can block a play several different ways, just stick with whatever works. However, I am a big believer in keeping things as simple as necessary for both the players to perform and the coaches to teach / correct.

Good point (s)!  :thanks:

So going back to this topic within the light of Free Agency and the Draft, are there any plays or packages that you'd like to see?

 

I have a feeling (and it's totally unsupported) that the Offense wants to feature Yeldon and Denard in the First Half, then go to Gerhart late in games to close the game out. Due to that, here's two plays that I'd think would make sense for the team:

 

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">5 - Lee, with the Speed to threaten deep and the space to cut towards the middle of the field


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">6 - Typical Tight End, either Lewis or Koyack. Blocks the edge and allows for a pulling interior O-Lineman


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4 - Denard. Can threaten the Wheel route, the screen pass, or even the handoff "reverse" play.


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3 - Robinson or J. Thomas are here to draw over a Safety due to the physical mismatch they represent with a typical Cornerback.


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2 - Yeldon is here to run Stretch, Zone, or even Lead


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1 - QB. Think of a word that rhymes with "Bortles".


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);">The play is designed to allow for Yeldon to be effective, to make use of Robinson's speed, to let Lee threaten deep, and to protect Bortles with a run threat and lots of pass options. This is more of a "package" than a play, but I feel like it has legs.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);">Play/Package #2 

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5 - Sterling or Thomas. They are on the line and are attacking the CB in order to block him. They should be outsizing most any CB they go against, so we've given them and advantage.


 

4 - Koyack or Lewis. Here to pull either the Weakside LB or the Safety over and to block them. They can motion if they need to in order to influence the Defense.


 

6 - Whichever of the two of Koyack or Lewis isn't playing "4". They are here to help block.


 

3 - Robinson, Lee, or even Hurns. There for the threat and a "check with me" call in case the Defense isn't paying attention to them.


 

2 - Gerhart. He's running a Lead Weak play and going downhill. No need to try and stretch or wiggle, just plow downfield and try to break the Defense.


 

 

 

Thoughts?