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How funny the meltdown would be if Caldwell drafted Mariota. How awesome it would be if he got the Browns to give up both first round picks. Never happen, but would be pretty legendary if it did.

How funny the meltdown would be if Caldwell drafted Mariota. How awesome it would be if he got the Browns to give up both first round picks. Never happen, but would be pretty legendary if it did.

Im still not sure I want to fall out of the top 10 but at the same time both browns picks or even both saints picks do sound nice....

You can say that again...and again.

None..... No one would be calling to trade up with us for either QB because Oakland at 4(the pick after ours) Doesn't need a QB. If one or both QB's were there at 3 then no one would call us because there is no fear that Oakland or even us(The Jaguars) would draft 'em(Winston or in this case Mariota). If any trade were to happen to grab a QB it would be for the number 4 spot with Oakland because Washington at 5 is a reasonable threat to draft one.

 

However I believe if we had any chance at trading down the target would be for either Williams from USC, or one of the WR's Cooper or White because Oakland could reasonably be in the mix to draft one of them. And if any team is in love with either prospect then they would want to "leap frog" Oakland.

 

P.S. Teams don't trade up to "leap frog" another team by 2 or 3 spots especially in the 1st round let alone in the top 5 of the draft. They try to "leap frog" the other team by 1. Look at the 2014 draft when the bills "leap frogged" over the Oakland raiders to grab Sammy Watkins at number 4. They didn't want the Raiders to take him before they could so they traded up. That's usually how it works. Teams don't trade for the number 3 spot so that number 5 doesn't draft them. They'll strike a deal with the number 4 spot a save just a little bit extra for themselves.

 

With all this being said I hope we draft a WR at 3, Cooper or White (doesn't really matter to me because I believe they both will be good pros) for BB5 or we trade down.

Quote:None..... No one would be calling to trade up with us for either QB because Oakland at 4(the pick after ours) Doesn't need a QB. If one or both QB's were there at 3 then no one would call us because there is no fear that Oakland or even us(The Jaguars) would draft 'em(Winston or in this case Mariota). If any trade were to happen to grab a QB it would be for the number 4 spot with Oakland because Washington at 5 is a reasonable threat to draft one.


However I believe if we had any chance at trading down the target would be for either Williams from USC, or one of the WR's Cooper or White because Oakland could reasonably be in the mix to draft one of them. And if any team is in love with either prospect then they would want to "leap frog" Oakland.


P.S. Teams don't trade up to "leap frog" another team by 2 or 3 spots especially in the 1st round let alone in the top 5 of the draft. They try to "leap frog" the other team by 1. Look at the 2014 draft when the bills "leap frogged" over the Oakland raiders to grab Sammy Watkins at number 4. They didn't want the Raiders to take him before they could so they traded up. That's usually how it works. Teams don't trade for the number 3 spot so that number 5 doesn't draft them. They'll strike a deal with the number 4 spot a save just a little bit extra for themselves.


With all this being said I hope we draft a WR at 3, Cooper or White (doesn't really matter to me because I believe they both will be good pros) for BB5 or we trade down.

gosh! How will we trade down if no one will trade up ????

Well if a team really wants Williams, Cooper, or White they will trade up with us.... I hope.

Quote:Well if a team really wants Williams, Cooper, or White they will trade up with us.... I hope.

what If they want to trade up for a different player !!!????!

Then its obvious we say hell no because it wasn't any of the 3 that I had listed! Duh bro get a clue. smh lol!!!!

Quote:Assuming the trade down range for the Jaguars is from 5-31 (5 representing Washington, and 31 representing a package deal with the Saints), what players would you target at those spots?

 

For me, if we dealt down to 5-7, I'd still consider the same guys I considered at 6 at edge rusher, whomever is left between Cooper or White, or even the best T on the board (beginning to wonder if La'El Collins will rank up there by draft day).  In a scenario where we traded down with the Jets, I could see the top 5 picks going like this

 

1.  Tampa-Winston

2.  Tennessee-Williams

3.  NYJ (from Jax)-Mariota

4.  Oakland-(Cooper/White)

5.  Washington (Scherff/best T/or Edge)

 

Which would leave us with a choice of Fowler, or at worst the second best LEO prospect, the second best WR prospect between Cooper and White, or maybe the top T prospect).

 

If we end up with a pick from between 10-13 (St. Louis, Cleveland, New Orleans), Trae Waynes, a Tackle, or possibly even RB becomes a consideration.

 

 

 

19 (Cleveland)...Eddie Goldman, Marcus Brown, Andrus Peat, Landon Collins, Melvin Gordon and Devante Parker are all considerations.

 

31 (New Orleans)...Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley, a corner, maybe Bernardrick McKinney

 

You are right.   There are two halves of this question: who wants to trade up, and what is the price.  

 

Todd McShay has us taking Amari Cooper at #3.   But then, a lot of people say Kevin White is just as good a prospect as Cooper.   And a lot of people are saying Beasley is just as good or better than Fowler.   So if we can trade down as far as #7 and still have a player left on the board that we could have easily picked at #3, how much would we charge the other team in the trade?  

 

If we think Fowler, Beasley, Cooper, and White are all interchangeable, then I would trade for as little as a 3rd round pick.   If we insist on something other teams are not willing to give up, then we end up with nothing.  

Quote:None..... No one would be calling to trade up with us for either QB because Oakland at 4(the pick after ours) Doesn't need a QB. If one or both QB's were there at 3 then no one would call us because there is no fear that Oakland or even us(The Jaguars) would draft 'em(Winston or in this case Mariota). If any trade were to happen to grab a QB it would be for the number 4 spot with Oakland because Washington at 5 is a reasonable threat to draft one.

 

However I believe if we had any chance at trading down the target would be for either Williams from USC, or one of the WR's Cooper or White because Oakland could reasonably be in the mix to draft one of them. And if any team is in love with either prospect then they would want to "leap frog" Oakland.

 

P.S. Teams don't trade up to "leap frog" another team by 2 or 3 spots especially in the 1st round let alone in the top 5 of the draft. They try to "leap frog" the other team by 1. Look at the 2014 draft when the bills "leap frogged" over the Oakland raiders to grab Sammy Watkins at number 4. They didn't want the Raiders to take him before they could so they traded up. That's usually how it works. Teams don't trade for the number 3 spot so that number 5 doesn't draft them. They'll strike a deal with the number 4 spot a save just a little bit extra for themselves.

 

With all this being said I hope we draft a WR at 3, Cooper or White (doesn't really matter to me because I believe they both will be good pros) for BB5 or we trade down.

There is merit to this argument.

 

However, that dynamic also works for us as well, because there would be fear that someone else can pull off a superior  trade to get the guy you want a spot earlier.

 

In 1997, the Raiders made a pre draft trade up to #2 in the hopes of landing T Orlando Pace.

 

However, St. Louis later moved up to the number one overall pick and took Pace.

 

I think the key is no matter which team is bidding for our pick for whom, we can't get too greedy in trying to fleece them and price ourselves out of a trade.  Marty summed it up best in the post right above this response.

Quote:None..... No one would be calling to trade up with us for either QB because Oakland at 4(the pick after ours) Doesn't need a QB. If one or both QB's were there at 3 then no one would call us because there is no fear that Oakland or even us(The Jaguars) would draft 'em(Winston or in this case Mariota). If any trade were to happen to grab a QB it would be for the number 4 spot with Oakland because Washington at 5 is a reasonable threat to draft one.

 

However I believe if we had any chance at trading down the target would be for either Williams from USC, or one of the WR's Cooper or White because Oakland could reasonably be in the mix to draft one of them. And if any team is in love with either prospect then they would want to "leap frog" Oakland.

 

P.S. Teams don't trade up to "leap frog" another team by 2 or 3 spots especially in the 1st round let alone in the top 5 of the draft. They try to "leap frog" the other team by 1. Look at the 2014 draft when the bills "leap frogged" over the Oakland raiders to grab Sammy Watkins at number 4. They didn't want the Raiders to take him before they could so they traded up. That's usually how it works. Teams don't trade for the number 3 spot so that number 5 doesn't draft them. They'll strike a deal with the number 4 spot a save just a little bit extra for themselves.

 

With all this being said I hope we draft a WR at 3, Cooper or White (doesn't really matter to me because I believe they both will be good pros) for BB5 or we trade down.

 

Sure.   They strike a deal with #4 to get ahead of #5.   But then why wouldn't someone strike a deal with #3 to get ahead of #4?  Besides, what if it was cheaper to do a deal with #3 than to do a deal with #4?    Like I said earlier, if we think we can trade down and still get a player we would have been happy drafting at #3, then we wouldn't need to ask a whole lot to make that trade.    

Quote:Sure.   They strike a deal with #4 to get ahead of #5.   But then why wouldn't someone strike a deal with #3 to get ahead of #4?  Besides, what if it was cheaper to do a deal with #3 than to do a deal with #4?    Like I said earlier, if we think we can trade down and still get a player we would have been happy drafting at #3, then we wouldn't need to ask a whole lot to make that trade.    

Exactly.

 

Team's aren't just competing against themselves.  They are competing against other teams for the same guys.  In this case, they are competing for a QB. 

QBs aren't exactly plentiful.

 

If you don't get one now, there is no telling how much longer you will be without one.

 

When teams overpay, they don't just to so in terms of draft choice compensation.  They can do it in terms of draft position, too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-bradford/

Trading a first for Bradford is such a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Quote:How funny the meltdown would be if Caldwell drafted Mariota. How awesome it would be if he got the Browns to give up both first round picks. Never happen, but would be pretty funny.

 
Incoming trade with Cleveland if Mariota is there at #3:

Cleveland gets Jax #3 pick.
Jax gets Cleveland #19 pick, Gipson, and Cleveland 3rd rounder.

Yes, I still haven't given up on the Gipson option bwahahahahahhahahaha.

GO JAGS!!

Quote:Incoming trade with Cleveland if Mariota is there at #3:


Cleveland gets Jax #3 pick.

Jax gets Cleveland #19 pick, Gipson, and Cleveland 3rd rounder.


Yes, I still haven't given up on the Gipson option bwahahahahahhahahaha.


GO JAGS!!

If they include Gipson in the deal and add a pick from next year I'll be happy to pull the trigger.

 

Quote:If they include Gipson in the deal and add a pick from next year I'll be happy to pull the trigger.

 
Yea, I forgot to add the next year pick. Maybe 19th, Gipson, and the next year's 1st? I have no idea what value that presents to equal our pick. But I like it lol

GO JAGS!!

Unfortunately, the Jags will not receive any reasonable trade-down offers so they will take Dante Fowler with their pick. Williams will go to Tennessee and I'm not even sure the Jags would take Williams ahead of Fowler if they had the chance. There will probably be a better opportunity to trade back in the 2nd and receive an extra 3rd or 4th rounder. I'd do this in a heartbeat, especially for an extra 3rd rounder.

 

Rd. 1  Fowler

Rd. 2  Aguilor and best running back(Ajayi/D.Johnson/Abdullah/Coleman)

Rd. 3  Best free safety (Randall/Smith/Rollins)

Why do you think the Jaguars won't receive any "reasonable" trade offers?

 

What constitutes "reasonable" to you, and why don't you think the Jaguars will get any that fit your definition?