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Obviously it's not that big of a problem here if nobody knew what the hell you were talking about

Quote:It seems like race is the basis behind a lot of topics.. Why not engage in it? Trump building that Wall and imposing a ban, do you believe that has anything to do with race?

No I don't believe it is a race issue. Just because it envolves different people of different ethnic backgrounds doesn't mean it is always about race. Feel free to start another topic about this point of view though and perhaps we can get deeper without clogging this one up further.

Quote:I do actually and more so than you even realize. I really prefer action over talk though. How about you?

 

I actually am a current participant in a couple of programs on the Northside and downtown where I help enroll felons back in school to complete their GED, secondary education or skill trade. The other program im in works directly with behavioral and substance counselors to treat people with mental health, drug addiction, conflict resolution etc.

 

I also volunteer in a sister program affiliated with Jax Journey aimed at working with at-risk youth by partnering with the tech-companies Cisco, Verizon, etc to encourage African Americans to migrate into the tech industry.

 

That's the action part just off the top of my head. What are yours? 

Quote:It seems like race is the basis behind a lot of topics.. Why not engage in it? Trump building that Wall and imposing a ban, do you believe that has anything to do with race?

I don't believe it does. I believe it has everything to do with the drugs, criminal element, the people coming here illegally regardless of country of origin, etc. The border is basically a revolving door of what we don't need in this country.


Are there some government decision makers who have a racist angle? Absolutely. I don't think Trump is one of them. His VP might, but someone like Trump doesn't care about skin color or even religious beliefs, he cares about the threat of radicals and possibility of people coming here as refugees or on student/work visas only to wreak a lot of havoc. It's happened before. In the case of the radicalized Muslims the majority of all Muslims will be affected the same as all BLM supporters are seen only as the extremists who don't represent what BLM is supposed to represent.

Quote:I actually am a current participant in a couple of programs on the Northside and downtown where I help enroll felons back in school to complete their GED, secondary education or skill trade. The other program im in works directly with behavioral and substance counselors to treat people with mental health, drug addiction, conflict resolution etc.


I also volunteer in a sister program affiliated with Jax Journey aimed at working with at-risk youth by partnering with the tech-companies Cisco, Verizon, etc to encourage African Americans to migrate into the tech industry.


That's the action part just off the top of my head. What are yours?

That's great! I protect my privacy so I can't partake in the big dick contest, but I'm willing to share two important ones; my two foster kids and two DoD Humanitarian Service Medals.

Quote:It seems like race is the basis behind a lot of topics.. Why not engage in it? Trump building that Wall and imposing a ban, do you believe that has anything to do with race?

No I don't.  It is about being a sovereign nation.  Do you realize the economic drain on the US economy due to illegal immigration?  Every dollar given under the table is a loss of income in the form of taxation.  Every job taken by an illegal immigrant is a job lost to a legal citizen.  You do understand that illegal immigrants are exploited?  

 

Here is something else to chew on:  

 

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for <b>10 years</b>. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.May 3, 2010

Quote:No I don't believe it is a race issue. Just because it envolves different people of different ethnic backgrounds doesn't mean it is always about race. Feel free to start another topic about this point of view though and perhaps we can get deeper without clogging this one up further.

Ethnic is just another word for race!But okay maybe I will take you up on that..

Quote:Ethnic is just another word for race!But okay maybe I will take you up on that..

No it isnt, ethnicity is about culture not biology.

Quote:No it isnt, ethnicity is about culture not biology.

I'm not gonna debate you buddy ! Lol racial or race is a synonym of ethnic! Just look it up and thank me later..

Quote:Ethnic is just another word for race!But okay maybe I will take you up on that..

 

There is a difference between culture and race.  The simplest way that I can explain it to you is race is what you are, culture is what you believe.

Quote:There is a difference between culture and race. The simplest way that I can explain it to you is race is what you are, culture is what you believe.

Bro I know what it means.. but I appreciate you trying to explain it.. That's real courteous!

Quote:There is a difference between culture and race.  The simplest way that I can explain it to you is race is what you are, culture is what you believe.

Don't waste your breath. He knows all...

 

http://racerelations.about.com/od/unders...d-Race.htm

Quote:I'm not gonna debate you buddy ! Lol racial or race is a synonym of ethnic! Just look it up and thank me later..

You aren't debating me, you're debating the English language.

Quote:You aren't debating me, you're debating the English language.

And he's getting smacked upside the head..

Quote:That's great! I protect my privacy so I can't partake in the big [BAD WORD REMOVED] contest, but I'm willing to share two important ones; my two foster kids and two DoD Humanitarian Service Medals.

 

Huh...

 

I was telling you about my volunteer work since you wanted to know what action I was taking in regards to improving the black community. 

 

Its really weird and strange for you to be all of a sudden talking about "partaking in the big pissing contest" and privacy when im just discussing simple details. 

 

Anyway, what are some of the issues you have with the Black community? Particular dislikes, problems, etc.

Quote:Huh...

 

I was telling you about my volunteer work since you wanted to know what action I was taking in regards to improving the black community. 

 

Its really weird and strange for you to be all of a sudden talking about "partaking in the big [BAD WORD REMOVED] contest" and privacy when im just discussing simple details. 

 

Anyway, what are some of the issues you have with the Black community? Particular dislikes, problems, etc.

I gave you props, recognize it. My job and background does not allow me to give simple details, sorry. Let me just say that whites have issues as well. In any case, sense you asked. There are a lot of issues in the black community. The main one, quit tearing each other down for wanting to get out and get ahead. Don't be afraid of someone talking smack for trying to get an education. Quit messing with those who end up with white friends and acquaintances. Invest in your communities. There is a generational cycle of guilt for breaking out. Before you say I have no clue, I grew up in a section 8 community in South Florida and my fosters are black. In addition, I support Alpha Phi Alpha, amongst other facets as well. As far as dislikes, I dislike disrespect for one another. I dislike the lack of trust between blacks and other races. I dislike when a community gets so crime ridden that it gets shoved to the side and treated as a lost cause. Most of all, I dislike how society sees in color, not just people.

Quote:I gave you props, recognize it. My job and background does not allow me to give simple details, sorry. Let me just say that whites have issues as well. In any case, sense you asked. There are a lot of issues in the black community. The main one, quit tearing each other down for wanting to get out and get ahead. Don't be afraid of someone talking smack for trying to get an education. Quit messing with those who end up with white friends and acquaintances. Invest in your communities. There is a generational cycle of guilt for breaking out. Before you say I have no clue, I grew up in a section 8 community in South Florida and my fosters are black. In addition, I support Alpha Phi Alpha, amongst other facets as well. As far as dislikes, I dislike disrespect for one another. I dislike the lack of trust between blacks and other races. I dislike when a community gets so crime ridden that it gets shoved to the side and treated as a lost cause. Most of all, I dislike how society sees in color, not just people.

 

Thanks for clarifying your intent. You were coming off as a [BAD WORD REMOVED] to me so I was initially questioning you giving me props. I was talking about volunteering not the actual job, as you previously stated you are private about which I understood  the first time. 

 

In regards to your points...the tearing down of each other I completely agree with, its in the home, community, church etc. I dont understand the specifics of why some in the black community are envious of others who want to advance with their education, finances, etc. The only thing I could think of is that the majority come from improvised backgrounds who are so used to nothing, or dreaming of advancing in life, then come into contact with those who have a higher IQ and wants to do good which are despised, which then fester the "crabs in the barrel" mindset. The other thing is some people truly dont know how to change the direction of their life or simply know life development skills. It made sense to me that if a person comes from a generation of poverty, it will be of no surprise they have the lowest of low intellect and brain development skills. Im not using this as an excuse, im stating this as a fact because I have seen this up close.

 

I currently have a friend who ive known for 20 plus years now that had the CITB mentality when we was younger. After high school he wanted to be a rapper, I wanted to go to FAMU OR FSU. Long story short, he saw the "easy" path to making money, I saw the long term vision. We grew apart but got back in touch around 09 right after I graduated from Florida State. 

 

He told me his situation which then led to him being envious of me dreaming, then aspiring to be more when I went to a University. I didn't take offense to that, instead I did something inadvertently led me to my passion today.

 

I asked my friend this simple question, "do you want to be successful"? He didnt know how to answer, so then I said "come on bra lets make moves". He didnt know the path and plan I began to develop for him. The first step was to help him save up bunch of money to help get a lawyer to settle some of his legal issues.

Once that was done we created a plan to get a tutor to prep and help him go back to high school and get his GED. He began to self doubt himself, and road was never easy, he would disappear for a few months because he was never used to anybody keeping their promise of helping him without a motive or agenda. He got back on track, got his GED, then did what he called" unthinkable" went to FSCJ got his Associates, then enrolled in UNF and graduated in 2014. He is co-owners with a regional IT firm and also has a graphics design shop. 

 

I got off topic for a minute, but my point was just changing some of the people mindset is key. The reality is everyone will not want to do good, but those who have a criminal record cant be written off "just because". 

 

Back to your other points, Interracial dating, I dont have a problem with it, I think it's beautiful to be honest. There are some on the Black community who dont like it for various reasons. One being intent. What is the purpose of a black man dating a white woman?  Some believe the Black man "hates" black women therefore building up a insecure spot, which I feel can go both ways. Another is why a black woman is dating a white man? Is the reason because white men have more money, or is it because a black woman has had so many negative relationships with black men, that she wants to step out and try something different. Again, I feel it can be both ways, and its a complex issue that revolves most around insecurities. 

 

Investing in our communities is an subject more people in the black community are slowly becoming aware of, and are taking the initiative. This is a situation though the local councilman-woman has to become the voice because they are the ones who ask the city council for funding. The locally owned businesses in the 32209 zip code dont bring in enough to help fund economic growth that could be sustainable for 3-5 years.  

 

To your last points, yes their is a generational cycle of guilt for wanting to break the cycle, but the black community is not talking about the HUGE increase of people enrolling in trade schools or HBCU's and graduating enough to the point where more who are on section 8, HUD, etc are encouraged to strive for more. In regards to the lac of trust between other races. I think is more so a misunderstanding and a cultural difference. If people work towards understanding each other's custom's and address perceptions openly and honestly, then that's where the trust can be reestablished. 

Quote:Thanks for clarifying your intent. You were coming off as a [BAD WORD REMOVED] to me so I was initially questioning you giving me props. I was talking about volunteering not the actual job, as you previously stated you are private about which I understood  the first time. 

 

In regards to your points...the tearing down of each other I completely agree with, its in the home, community, church etc. I dont understand the specifics of why some in the black community are envious of others who want to advance with their education, finances, etc. The only thing I could think of is that the majority come from improvised backgrounds who are so used to nothing, or dreaming of advancing in life, then come into contact with those who have a higher IQ and wants to do good which are despised, which then fester the "crabs in the barrel" mindset. The other thing is some people truly dont know how to change the direction of their life or simply know life development skills. It made sense to me that if a person comes from a generation of poverty, it will be of no surprise they have the lowest of low intellect and brain development skills. Im not using this as an excuse, im stating this as a fact because I have seen this up close.

 

I currently have a friend who ive known for 20 plus years now that had the CITB mentality when we was younger. After high school he wanted to be a rapper, I wanted to go to FAMU OR FSU. Long story short, he saw the "easy" path to making money, I saw the long term vision. We grew apart but got back in touch around 09 right after I graduated from Florida State. 

 

He told me his situation which then led to him being envious of me dreaming, then aspiring to be more when I went to a University. I didn't take offense to that, instead I did something inadvertently led me to my passion today.

 

I asked my friend this simple question, "do you want to be successful"? He didnt know how to answer, so then I said "come on bra lets make moves". He didnt know the path and plan I began to develop for him. The first step was to help him save up bunch of money to help get a lawyer to settle some of his legal issues.

Once that was done we created a plan to get a tutor to prep and help him go back to high school and get his GED. He began to self doubt himself, and road was never easy, he would disappear for a few months because he was never used to anybody keeping their promise of helping him without a motive or agenda. He got back on track, got his GED, then did what he called" unthinkable" went to FSCJ got his Associates, then enrolled in UNF and graduated in 2014. He is co-owners with a regional IT firm and also has a graphics design shop. 

 

I got off topic for a minute, but my point was just changing some of the people mindset is key. The reality is everyone will not want to do good, but those who have a criminal record cant be written off "just because". 

 

Back to your other points, Interracial dating, I dont have a problem with it, I think it's beautiful to be honest. There are some on the Black community who dont like it for various reasons. One being intent. What is the purpose of a black man dating a white woman?  Some believe the Black man "hates" black women therefore building up a insecure spot, which I feel can go both ways. Another is why a black woman is dating a white man? Is the reason because white men have more money, or is it because a black woman has had so many negative relationships with black men, that she wants to step out and try something different. Again, I feel it can be both ways, and its a complex issue that revolves most around insecurities. 

 

Investing in our communities is an subject more people in the black community are slowly becoming aware of, and are taking the initiative. This is a situation though the local councilman-woman has to become the voice because they are the ones who ask the city council for funding. The locally owned businesses in the 32209 zip code dont bring in enough to help fund economic growth that could be sustainable for 3-5 years.  

 

To your last points, yes their is a generational cycle of guilt for wanting to break the cycle, but the black community is not talking about the HUGE increase of people enrolling in trade schools or HBCU's and graduating enough to the point where more who are on section 8, HUD, etc are encouraged to strive for more. In regards to the lac of trust between other races. I think is more so a misunderstanding and a cultural difference. If people work towards understanding each other's custom's and address perceptions openly and honestly, then that's where the trust can be reestablished. 

No, my intent was not to come off as an [BLEEP] in this response. I was being sincere. The black community needs more support and folks that can show that there is opportunity available if you are willing to work for it and not take the easy way out. Positivity in the community will have a snowball effect and can bring economic sustainability, but it has to start at the bottom first. The chain just needs to be broken. My brother is JSO and it gets frustrating seeing the same issues in the same neighborhoods every day. It's frustrating seeing the newer generations giving up and taking the wrong paths before they are even teenagers. Thanks for trying to be a positive influence. 

 

I'm still going to call you out on the dumb stuff though! HaHa

Quote:I'm not gonna debate you buddy ! Lol racial or race is a synonym of ethnic! Just look it up and thank me later..

 

Ethnic aisle at Walmart.

Quote:Thanks for clarifying your intent. You were coming off as a [BAD WORD REMOVED] to me so I was initially questioning you giving me props. I was talking about volunteering not the actual job, as you previously stated you are private about which I understood the first time.


In regards to your points...the tearing down of each other I completely agree with, its in the home, community, church etc. I dont understand the specifics of why some in the black community are envious of others who want to advance with their education, finances, etc. The only thing I could think of is that the majority come from improvised backgrounds who are so used to nothing, or dreaming of advancing in life, then come into contact with those who have a higher IQ and wants to do good which are despised, which then fester the "crabs in the barrel" mindset. The other thing is some people truly dont know how to change the direction of their life or simply know life development skills. It made sense to me that if a person comes from a generation of poverty, it will be of no surprise they have the lowest of low intellect and brain development skills. Im not using this as an excuse, im stating this as a fact because I have seen this up close.


I currently have a friend who ive known for 20 plus years now that had the CITB mentality when we was younger. After high school he wanted to be a rapper, I wanted to go to FAMU OR FSU. Long story short, he saw the "easy" path to making money, I saw the long term vision. We grew apart but got back in touch around 09 right after I graduated from Florida State.


He told me his situation which then led to him being envious of me dreaming, then aspiring to be more when I went to a University. I didn't take offense to that, instead I did something inadvertently led me to my passion today.


I asked my friend this simple question, "do you want to be successful"? He didnt know how to answer, so then I said "come on bra lets make moves". He didnt know the path and plan I began to develop for him. The first step was to help him save up bunch of money to help get a lawyer to settle some of his legal issues.

Once that was done we created a plan to get a tutor to prep and help him go back to high school and get his GED. He began to self doubt himself, and road was never easy, he would disappear for a few months because he was never used to anybody keeping their promise of helping him without a motive or agenda. He got back on track, got his GED, then did what he called" unthinkable" went to FSCJ got his Associates, then enrolled in UNF and graduated in 2014. He is co-owners with a regional IT firm and also has a graphics design shop.


I got off topic for a minute, but my point was just changing some of the people mindset is key. The reality is everyone will not want to do good, but those who have a criminal record cant be written off "just because".


Back to your other points, Interracial dating, I dont have a problem with it, I think it's beautiful to be honest. There are some on the Black community who dont like it for various reasons. One being intent. What is the purpose of a black man dating a white woman? Some believe the Black man "hates" black women therefore building up a insecure spot, which I feel can go both ways. Another is why a black woman is dating a white man? Is the reason because white men have more money, or is it because a black woman has had so many negative relationships with black men, that she wants to step out and try something different. Again, I feel it can be both ways, and its a complex issue that revolves most around insecurities.


Investing in our communities is an subject more people in the black community are slowly becoming aware of, and are taking the initiative. This is a situation though the local councilman-woman has to become the voice because they are the ones who ask the city council for funding. The locally owned businesses in the 32209 zip code dont bring in enough to help fund economic growth that could be sustainable for 3-5 years.


To your last points, yes their is a generational cycle of guilt for wanting to break the cycle, but the black community is not talking about the HUGE increase of people enrolling in trade schools or HBCU's and graduating enough to the point where more who are on section 8, HUD, etc are encouraged to strive for more. In regards to the lac of trust between other races. I think is more so a misunderstanding and a cultural difference. If people work towards understanding each other's custom's and address perceptions openly and honestly, then that's where the trust can be reestablished.

GREAT post Bruh!!!