Quote:Shoot he's got me wanting to go apply at dominos, at 65k a year he's making more then almost everyone I know.
Tell me about it! I'd even take the average of $55k/year. I know a few people who make a bit more than he does (many are jobs that require a lot of education, such as a defense attorney). But geez... That's a lot of money for a job that doesn't require a whole lot of education. Maybe we should be telling our kids "Grow up to be a manger of Dominoes. You'll rake in some real cash, and might not have to be quite as competitive as other job markets."
Quote:Tell me about it! I'd even take the average of $55k/year. I know a few people who make a bit more than he does (many are jobs that require a lot of education, such as a defense attorney). But geez... That's a lot of money for a job that doesn't require a whole lot of education. Maybe we should be telling our kids "Grow up to be a manger of Dominoes. You'll rake in some real cash, and might not have to be quite as competitive as other job markets."
Not to mention they get a discount on pizza and I love me some dominoes! I'm wondering if his salary projecting is a self paid cash bonus
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Quote:I don't think less of anyone. If you check my post above, if anything, I commended them for having a job and not just drifting by on our tax dollars..
And I have eyes, I've seen the age group that works at these positions, and most are young kids..
That is what it's like in my area maybe not yours. Plenty of people make a decent living off service work plus tips here. The higher than normal minimum wage helps that and does not seem to lead to restaurants not being able to function.
Quote:Not to mention they get a discount on pizza and I love me some dominoes! I'm wondering if his salary projecting is a self paid cash bonus :whistling:
The food industry is really terrible to work in, especially at the lower levels though. I had a friend who used to deliver pizzas, and she said a lot of people were terrible tippers (which is why she quit. She said one college dorm ordered more than 20 pizzas, and then left no tip at all)
Then you have waiters and waitresses, who are living on tips (which usually do amount to more than minimum wage, though I'm sure it'd amount to more if people weren't jerks about tipping. Another friend of ours said she had people tip her with cards with passages from the bible sometimes, which made her want to break the "thou shalt not kill' commandment)
But at the higher levels... some of them make some big money. I believe the national average for Dominoes Manager is $55k/year. That's just... wow. I definitely took the wrong job when I was 16.
I actually prefer Little Cesar's pizza though. Ours makes good pizza. And it's only $5.00. Just walk in, get it, and go. Which is useful when the wife and I are both busy, and the kids are really hungry. Can't even get a frozen pizza for that much anymore.
Quote:Not to mention they get a discount on pizza and I love me some dominoes! I'm wondering if his salary projecting is a self paid cash bonus :whistling:
Discount on pizza? When I delivered for Pizza hut, if the cooks messed up the pizza with toppings everyone just got to eat it. Care to guess how often that occurred?
Quote:The food industry is really terrible to work in, especially at the lower levels though. I had a friend who used to deliver pizzas, and she said a lot of people were terrible tippers (which is why she quit. She said one college dorm ordered more than 20 pizzas, and then left no tip at all)
Then you have waiters and waitresses, who are living on tips (which usually do amount to more than minimum wage, though I'm sure it'd amount to more if people weren't jerks about tipping. Another friend of ours said she had people tip her with cards with passages from the bible sometimes, which made her want to break the "thou shalt not kill' commandment)
But at the higher levels... some of them make some big money. I believe the national average for Dominoes Manager is $55k/year. That's just... wow. I definitely took the wrong job when I was 16.
I actually prefer Little Cesar's pizza though. Ours makes good pizza. And it's only $5.00. Just walk in, get it, and go. Which is useful when the wife and I are both busy, and the kids are really hungry. Can't even get a frozen pizza for that much anymore.
I hate bad tippers, by all means I live on a modest income and lifestyle but I make sure IF I go out I can afford to tip at least 20%. I usually tip 25-30% just because I know what it's like to work a thankless job.
usually if the service is REALLY bad, I tip them 20% anyways just because everyone has a bad day, maybe a good tip will help them out of a slump.
Quote:Discount on pizza? When I delivered for Pizza hut, if the cooks messed up the pizza with toppings everyone just got to eat it. Care to guess how often that occurred?
I'm filling out my application as we speak, one thing you just can't get in a good bunker is decent pizza. Those solar ovens just don't do pizza right.
Quote:I hate bad tippers, by all means I live on a modest income and lifestyle but I make sure IF I go out I can afford to tip at least 20%. I usually tip 25-30% just because I know what it's like to work a thankless job.
usually if the service is REALLY bad, I tip them 20% anyways just because everyone has a bad day, maybe a good tip will help them out of a slump.
Same. I understand servers have bad days and aren't responsible for everything that's wrong.
Generally if you aren't going to tip, you might as well not go out in the first place. My friend said sundays were the worst for her, because people would leave those little passages and act as if they were as good as an actual tip She also said some people would try to be funny and say "A tip? Well 15 minutes could save you 15 minutes on car insurance". And other people with large parties wouldn't tip. Sometimes she'd be one of the only people who came in, and people would expect her to be at their beck and call despite her having more tables than usual because someone decided not to show up. People would blame her for things the kitchen was at fault for. She also said her employer would always report that she made more than she did too. I'm glad she was able to quit that job, and her mom is paying her way through college now.
The service industry can be terrible at times. Especially if you happen to choose the wrong one to work at.
Maybe we need RATEYOUREMPLOYER. We have Rateyourprofessor. Next million dollar idea!!
I play the game, "How many times can you refill my drink".. I can drink like a fish and usually the number of times they bring me a refill, thats what I base their tip on..
I know it can be busy and crowded sometimes, I don't let that get to me though..
Quote:I play the game, "How many times can you refill my drink".. I can drink like a fish and usually the number of times they bring me a refill, thats what I base their tip on..
I know it can be busy and crowded sometimes, I don't let that get to me though..
My tipping is selfish, it makes me feel good when I leave someone a big tip. I don't know why, just does. Especially if they don't deserve it.
Quote:My tipping is selfish, it makes me feel good when I leave someone a big tip. I don't know why, just does. Especially if they don't deserve it.
I do that with bartenders. That's how you get "the long pour" haha
How much of your tipping is the service and how much is because they make sub minimum wage (most places)?
Quote:I do that with bartenders. That's how you get "the long pour" haha
Give a nice big tip on the first order and that bartender never makes you wait for a drink the rest of the night on top of the "heavy pour"
Quote:How much of your tipping is the service and how much is because they make sub minimum wage (most places)?
I don't know, I guess I've just always known servers live and die by the tip so I try and do my part to make sure they live? If they made a decent wage would I still tip generously even when the service isn't great, I don't know. Interesting question, I never really thought about it.
Quote:I don't know, I guess I've just always known servers live and die by the tip so I try and do my part to make sure they live? If they made a decent wage would I still tip generously even when the service isn't great, I don't know. Interesting question, I never really thought about it.
I just found out withing say last couple of months that service folk get straight minimum out here in Oregon. I wont lie it's changed my tipping but I wouldn't say drastically. If it's excellent service i'll still give 25-30% if it's just ok maybe 15%. This weekend I tipped 10% for the first time in a LONG time due to piss poor service (not bust poor just poor).
Quote:That is what it's like in my area maybe not yours. Plenty of people make a decent living off service work plus tips here. The higher than normal minimum wage helps that and does not seem to lead to restaurants not being able to function.
That's really a different discussion though. We're talking minimum wage jobs at McDonald's where tips don't exist, the kind that AREN'T intended to be a living wage.
Quote:That's really a different discussion though. We're talking minimum wage jobs at McDonald's where tips don't exist, the kind that AREN'T intended to be a living wage.
McDonald's, Walmat, bars, restaurants, Publix. Which ones are ok to not provide a living wage for? What percentage of jobs is it ok?
Quote:McDonald's, Walmat, bars, restaurants, Publix. Which ones are ok to not provide a living wage for? What percentage of jobs is it ok?
Any one where the market determines that that value of the labor provided is less than the rate for a living wage. That's the whole answer; you are worth what you are worth, nothing more.
Quote:Any one where the market determines that that value of the labor provided is less than the rate for a living wage. That's the whole answer; you are worth what you are worth, nothing more.
I guess I value people more than others do.... If left to their devices the "free market" would drive down wages into oblivion. That is why protections are in place. We've been through this. Even though wages go down due to free market economics the demand for jobs is still up. People have to take jobs regardless of whether the wages are low or not.
The problem is profits go up and wages do not. COL goes up and wages do not. This reduces the percentage of jobs able to provide living wages while the numbers in the workforce to not go down. This has been a problem for decades.
Quote:I guess I value people more than others do.... If left to their devices the "free market" would drive down wages into oblivion. That is why protections are in place. We've been through this. Even though wages go down due to free market economics the demand for jobs is still up. People have to take jobs regardless of whether the wages are low or not.
The problem is profits go up and wages do not. COL goes up and wages do not. This reduces the percentage of jobs able to provide living wages while the numbers in the workforce to not go down. This has been a problem for decades.
Artificial floors reduce demand for jobs, that's economic law. Again, I've never hired an employee for the minimum wage because my employees are worth more, that's the law of you get what you pay for. Anyone only worth the minimum wage is not skilled enough to work for me. Your issue is job availability, not the wage paid for the jobs, and job availability is influenced by the artificial factors placed on the market by the government, not the employers.