Quote:RB is deep in the draft. Much easier to find one there than overpay for what's left in FA.
The team needs to get great blocking from the OLine... then RBs are a dime a dozen... Toddman could be a really good running block with a decent line.
Quote:How do you grade Tevin Coleman?
Not super high. One of the flashy college guys that I don't think translates to the NFL too well.
RB Duke Johnson from Miami (possible 3rd rounder) - 4.54 (40 time) I dont think he'll be around in the 4th though.
As bad of a disappointment as Toby Gerhart was for the Jaguars last season, and unreliable shoelace (DR) is at RB (fumbles, poor route running, dropped passes, really bad at blocking, great at burst of speed but doesnt have the ability to push thru a crowd or bounce off a tackle) I still think a combination of Robinson & Toddman would work if the Oline was better. As well as storm johnson might suprise people in his 2nd year, but I just dont see RB as a huge need like the rest of the fan base does.... i mean not worth a 1st or 2nd round thats for sure or even a 3rd round...
I can see a 4th to appease, but the team really needs DBs (Safety & CB) the most and then Offensive Line before investing in a RB. If at #3 overall and DL Leonard Williams is there they have to go with him though.
David Johnson should be our guy.
Quote:David Johnson should be our guy.
After watching some of his stuff on draftbreakdown,
I see flashes of something in him. Im definitely intrigued by him but I think he needs a lot of good coaching. Id like to see him use his size more to break tackles. Its almost like Cobb, I wish he would quit trying to be finesse and ran 1 cut north and south. From what I've seen at least.
Quote:David Johnson should be our guy.
I think he is (and will be) a good football player. I see him more as a good returner and receiver out of the backfield. I don't know that he is going to be a tailback.
Quote:I think the whole "runningbacks are not as important" thing is a phase, and I think it's just wrong. A running game provides the balance that every good offense needs. I don't think an offense can be great without one.
Question: Would anyone here be upset if we drafted a running back that turned out to be like Freddy or MJD? What if the pick was a high round pick, even a first rounder?
What if the Jags took Gurley, and he turned out to be the next Fred Taylor? Would people be upset if he were taken with pick #3?
I'm not so sure that I would be all that upset if the guy were a sure thing. I doubt this is even a remotely real scenario, but I would have zero problem personally with the team using a high pick on a RB if they feel that he is a special player. Honestly, I hope they do take a good RB in the upcoming draft. If it takes a higher pick, so be it. I think that will do wonders for this offense.
Bring on a stud RB.
PS: I'm glad it wasn't Murray. I think his best days are behind him. He may have another good year or maybe two, but give me a young guy instead.
I don't think the issue here is that 'we don't want a premier running back'. If we had one we would all be over joyed about it! The problem is that the Jags have been 'one dimensional' in the past in that they have featured the running game. In the pre-Peyton Manning era that was okay, but the game rules have changed to favor a passing intensive offense. No one is saying 'forget about the running game' but it clearly shouldn't be the featured aspect of the offense any more.
It's as simple as this; put a good passing team against a good running team and the passing team will win; that's the modern game with the rules that exist now. 'Back in the day' a statement like that would not have been true. Certainly we'd like a stud RB... but we
need a stud o-line, QB and WR first. A balanced offense is great, and so far ours has been... we've been equally weak in both our passing and running game. That's got to change, and the passing game needs to 'man up' first.
Quote:The team needs to get great blocking from the OLine... then RBs are a dime a dozen... Toddman could be a really good running block with a decent line.
It's not one or the other, or wait until you have this before you add that.
You get players when available, not when convenient.
The RB crop is special. The OL crop, not so much. You get the best of whatever you can get, when you can. It's more likely we'll find a great back in the draft, than a great OL. Plus, we've got seven picks. We're not spending all 7 on backs (or linemen) alone...
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It's as simple as this; put a good passing team against a good running team and the passing team will win; that's the modern game with the rules that exist now. 'Back in the day' a statement like that would not have been true. Certainly we'd like a stud RB... but we need a stud o-line, QB and WR first. A balanced offense is great, and so far ours has been... we've been equally weak in both our passing and running game. That's got to change, and the passing game needs to 'man up' first.
That wins football games, but the teams who win championships are still the ones who can run, and who can stop the run.
When playoffs come around, everything changes.
Obviously, you need a passing game. But a passing game without a running game (balance), gets you not very far in the playoffs (if you get there.)
Quote:RB Duke Johnson from Miami (possible 3rd rounder) - 4.54 (40 time) I dont think he'll be around in the 4th though.
As bad of a disappointment as Toby Gerhart was for the Jaguars last season, and unreliable shoelace (DR) is at RB (fumbles, poor route running, dropped passes, really bad at blocking, great at burst of speed but doesnt have the ability to push thru a crowd or bounce off a tackle) I still think a combination of Robinson & Toddman would work if the Oline was better. As well as storm johnson might suprise people in his 2nd year, but I just dont see RB as a huge need like the rest of the fan base does.... i mean not worth a 1st or 2nd round thats for sure or even a 3rd round...
I can see a 4th to appease, but the team really needs DBs (Safety & CB) the most and then Offensive Line before investing in a RB. If at #3 overall and DL Leonard Williams is there they have to go with him though.
I got to see Duke Johnson against Savannah State at the SunLife Stadium , poor opposition but he stood out that night, he can motor.
Quote:I got to see Duke Johnson against Savannah State at the SunLife Stadium , poor opposition but he stood out that night, he can motor.
Duke Johnson was ridiculous against VT, and VT can play with just about anyone (particularly on defense.)
The Vikings are actively shopping Adrian Peterson.
Now I'm not saying we should, I'm just pointing out that if the Jags are really looking for a veteran RB, he's an option
Quote:The Vikings are actively shopping Adrian Peterson.
Now I'm not saying we should, I'm just pointing out that if the Jags are really looking for a veteran RB, he's an option
He's not an option with that contract.
Quote:Everyone already gave up on Storm Johnson?
Nobody has given up on him, but you don't just assume he can be good in the future.
We need a difference maker at RB. Would love Gurley.
There was a lot to read through so I'll just post my thoughts on the RB situation.
In the NFL you can have an all star back like Adrian Peterson who is great all the time. If you get the chance to have a guy like that, you get a guy like that.
As good as Gurley and Gordon are, or could be... There are no guarantees. Gurley especially with the injury.
That being said, if for some odd reason one or the other are there at the top of round 2, take em.
If not, let's not reach... the drop off afterward is significant and RB can be addressed as late as round 4 and get a guy.
Drob may never be a superstar, bell-cow, back... but the NFL has proven you don't need it.
Was Murray this superstar or was the O-Line? I suppose we'll see this coming season... but history shows, Murray won't ever be THAT great again.
Let's concentrate on getting one of those all star O-lines... and take what RBs we have (or can get reasonably) until then.
Shelf life of the RB is generally short... Why waste a top pick, or big dollars, on a position that might be wasted before the O-Line really comes together... IF it really comes together.
Quote:That wins football games, but the teams who win championships are still the ones who can run, and who can stop the run.
When playoffs come around, everything changes.
Obviously, you need a passing game. But a passing game without a running game (balance), gets you not very far in the playoffs (if you get there.)
The emphasis needs to be on the passing game. It doesn't matter if you have a great running game if you can't even make the play offs. We had MJD and look what that got us. You don't need a superstar running back, just a good serviceable one. What you do need is a good o-line, a good QB, and good receivers. J'ville hasn't had those last three in a long time.
If you want to be two dimensional it all starts with a great Offensive Line, if they cant block the RB & QB are getting tackled behind the line which is exactly what occured for the start of last season with Chad Henne & Bortles!
Quote:It's not one or the other, or wait until you have this before you add that.
You get players when available, not when convenient.
The RB crop is special. The OL crop, not so much. You get the best of whatever you can get, when you can. It's more likely we'll find a great back in the draft, than a great OL. Plus, we've got seven picks. We're not spending all 7 on backs (or linemen) alone...
Everyone assumes that GM Dave Caldwell will draft primarily offensive players with the Offense being so bad last season and with a new OC wanting certain types of players which could be true but my gut feeling is that he'll draft more defensive players than offensive this year.
Quote:He's not an option with that contract.
The Jags could pay him. Do they want to? Probably not.
For that matter we'll see if anybody does.
Quote:Everyone assumes that GM Dave Caldwell will draft primarily offensive players with the Offense being so bad last season and with a new OC wanting certain types of players which could be true but my gut feeling is that he'll draft more defensive players than offensive this year.
Dave has said they certainly will not be too heavily weighted one way or another, as they were last year towards offense.
He also said this about being very open to trading down:
“I feel more open to it this year because we don’t need to have a guy come in and start,” Caldwell said. “We had no margin for error the last two years. We had to draft them and start them.”
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/544...ears-draft
Doesn't sound to me like he's "sold" on anyone as he was with Bortles last year. At least, no player he feels would be available to us.