Quote:Aug. 1, 1966, University of Texas, civilians DID show up with better firepower then the police and helped keep the shooter pinned down
A data point from 50 years ago.... Show up to a standoff where police are with a wikipedia printout and an AR and tell me how fervently they welcome you to join the line.
Quote:Police always want civilians on hand to assist in dangerous situations :teehee:
All I know is if I'm throwing rounds at a man doing the same at me, I'll take all the help I can get.
Quote:All I know is if I'm throwing rounds at a man doing the same at me, I'll take all the help I can get.
Wikky wild... wikky wild.... wikky wild wild west
Quote:As we all know zombies come in hordes so you should get several lined up at one time. If armor piercing rounds are fired at non armor wearing bodies, how many bodies does it penetrate? As flsprtsgod said, they go through walls.....
With the variance in height among humans it would be difficult to get the target's heads to line up in a way that would be effective outside of controlled conditions, a lab experiment for instance.
Quote:Wikky wild... wikky wild.... wikky wild wild west
What do you think a gun fight is...? It's a fight for survival. These things aren't pretty.
Armor-piercing rounds are necessary for civilians and law enforcement. Just the other day, my department stopped a group of people with multiple ARs and a body armor with the intention of robbing. How someone defend themselves against these people without those rounds?
Quote:A data point from 50 years ago.... Show up to a standoff where police are with a wikipedia printout and an AR and tell me how fervently they welcome you to join the line.
I'm talking about a one-on-one scenario. I'm not talking about a home that has been surrounded by SWAT.
If I'm at a business and someone starts shooting at me as they wear body armor, I'd appreciate if a bystander would join in an ending the threat. I think everyone would agree that civilian interference wouldn't help when the scene is relatively under control.
Quote:I'm talking about a one-on-one scenario. I'm not talking about a home that has been surrounded by SWAT.
If I'm at a business and someone starts shooting at me as they wear body armor, I'd appreciate if a bystander would join in an ending the threat. I think everyone would agree that civilian interference wouldn't help when the scene is relatively under control.
I see, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying you are/were an officer.