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I would take Clive in the top of the 3rd all day. Our TE coach loved him at the senior bowl and he is a big physical TE that would be great to plug in with whoever we get, hoping its Julius Thomas. 

Quote:I would take Clive in the top of the 3rd all day. Our TE coach loved him at the senior bowl and he is a big physical TE that would be great to plug in with whoever we get, hoping its Julius Thomas. 

I can't say I wouldn't be tempted to do just that in the 3rd.

 

I like the idea of having two TEs that can defeat coverage.

 

I like the idea of having a 2 TE set-which is a run look, but provides matchup advantages in the passing game.

I'm loving this idea. I would love a MLB in the second but getting Blake the weapons to succeed is the top priority. 

Quote:I hated those transition days (from Dallas to Jax).

 

Some of the most difficult days of my football fandom.

 

Eric Green was an outstanding red zone target and very big.

 

Edmunds never made sense...to have all of that physical talent and never put it together.  If he could hold onto those passes, he could have been one of the all time greats with Marino throwing him the ball.

 

He's like the offensive version of Alonzo Spellman.  Great physical specimen, but never put it all together.

 

In Spellman's case, IIRC, there were mental health issues with him.

 

I don't know if there are any comparisons to Edmunds or Green in this draft.

 

Those transition days were very trying, but I think I was helped along because I joined the Service in '95 and since I was out of town it was just as easy to follow JAX as it was MIA. Maybe that helped the transition a bit.

 

To related Edmunds to anyone, I would think that it would be Dorial Green-Beckham just swap the emotional, off field issues with those of the inability to hold on to the dang ball. There were so many times that he would just sprint past a LB and Marino would throw the fade to him, and it would just go off his hands. Sad really.

Quote:I can't say I wouldn't be tempted to do just that in the 3rd.

 

I like the idea of having two TEs that can defeat coverage.

 

I like the idea of having a 2 TE set-which is a run look, but provides matchup advantages in the passing game.

 

Speaking of which, I came up with this little formation which I think would mesh rather well with some of the personnel that we are talking about:

 

 

X          O O 0 O O    T₂

                    Q        T₁                    Z

 

                     R

Where:

X - Big WR, I'm thinking Robinson or even Blackmon here who are the team's versions of a physical mismatch

T₁ - "Move" Tight End, along the lines of Julius Thomas

T₂ - "Blocking" Tight End, along the lines of Marcedes Lewis or maybe even Walford from Miami

Z - Slot Wideout, speed guy who gets relief from the jam due to him being set back from LOS. He can also be sent in motion.

R - Robinson, or any back who poses a threat to run or catch a pass.

 

With this alignment, you can protect your Move TE from a jam by having him back off of the line. The overload also means that you are forcing the Safety coverage over so you are gaining Man coverage on X. T₁ and Z both are motion options which means that you can run a lead block to the weakside if you were feeling creative.

 

All this is meant to show is that having two threats at Tight End is a very nice thing for an Offense and way more than a "luxury" concept.

Quote:Speaking of which, I came up with this little formation which I think would mesh rather well with some of the personnel that we are talking about:

 

 

X          O O 0 O O    T₂

                    Q        T₁                    Z

 

                     R

Where:

X - Big WR, I'm thinking Robinson or even Blackmon here who are the team's versions of a physical mismatch

T₁ - "Move" Tight End, along the lines of Julius Thomas

T₂ - "Blocking" Tight End, along the lines of Marcedes Lewis or maybe even Walford from Miami

Z - Slot Wideout, speed guy who gets relief from the jam due to him being set back from LOS. He can also be sent in motion.

R - Robinson, or any back who poses a threat to run or catch a pass.

 

With this alignment, you can protect your Move TE from a jam by having him back off of the line. The overload also means that you are forcing the Safety coverage over so you are gaining Man coverage on X. T₁ and Z both are motion options which means that you can run a lead block to the weakside if you were feeling creative.

 

All this is meant to show is that having two threats at Tight End is a very nice thing for an Offense and way more than a "luxury" concept.

That would be consistent with the idea the Jaguars want to be a power running team as well.

 

I don't see many defenses with the size and speed to successfully defend every player in that personnel grouping.

 

If Lee were the Z in this formation, he's fast enough to beat guys deep and on crossing routes.  If that were Blackmon at his prime and sober, he would own patterns over the middle...digs, crossing patterns, slants.  If you sent the Z in motion to the opposite side, you'd isolate the LBs in coverage against the TEs.

 

Thomas would be a matchup problem against typically slower LBs or smaller DBs...as would Walford.  If the defense started using safeties to help the LBs, that would lead to single coverage against one of the WRs.

 

If the defense keyed the personnel grouping as a run formation, they could get eaten alive in the passing game, especially on early downs or short yardage.  This is especially true if the defense begins to walk the safety into the box.

 

If the defense keyed pass, the Jaguars could run the ball and get favorable down and distance situations.

Quote:That would be consistent with the idea the Jaguars want to be a power running team as well.

 

I don't see many defenses with the size and speed to successfully defend every player in that personnel grouping.

 

If Lee were the Z in this formation, he's fast enough to beat guys deep and on crossing routes.  If that were Blackmon at his prime and sober, he would own patterns over the middle...digs, crossing patterns, slants.  If you sent the Z in motion to the opposite side, you'd isolate the LBs in coverage against the TEs.

 

Thomas would be a matchup problem against typically slower LBs or smaller DBs...as would Walford.  If the defense started using safeties to help the LBs, that would lead to single coverage against one of the WRs.

 

If the defense keyed the personnel grouping as a run formation, they could get eaten alive in the passing game, especially on early downs or short yardage.  This is especially true if the defense begins to walk the safety into the box.

 

If the defense keyed pass, the Jaguars could run the ball and get favorable down and distance situations.

 

As I chew on this formation more and more, you can make a rather simple adjustment and threaten with the read option from four different players.

 

You set the QB in shotgun, then send either T₁ or Z into "orbit" motion around the back of the RB. Now the QB can do an inverted veer look with the RB or he can just hand to the RB and have the RB - Z / T₁ pair run option on the weak side.

 

I should stop here before I really go off the deep end with a formation that won't ever see the light of day.

Quote:As I chew on this formation more and more, you can make a rather simple adjustment and threaten with the read option from four different players.


You set the QB in shotgun, then send either T₁ or Z into "orbit" motion around the back of the RB. Now the QB can do an inverted veer look with the RB or he can just hand to the RB and have the RB - Z / T₁ pair run option on the weak side.


I should stop here before I really go off the deep end with a formation that won't ever see the light of day.

Jedd Fisch could've used you last year.

I agree with most...signing Thomas makes Williams in the 2nd a luxury that we could use "better" elsewhere.

 

I'd say no to a 2nd round TE but a 3rd round TE as a Maybe depending on the 1st 2 picks.

 

If we go Williams//Kendricks (or another D player)...I would probably want a RT pick.

 

I still think we go Williams/Otto/Leo pick in the 1st and grab one of the OT prospects that fall into the 2nd.

 

Signing Bulaga would monkey wrench that tho...Jags are pretty flexible with options.

If we do sign Thomas, I'd wait to draft a TE until later, maybe a Nick Boyle or Blake Bell in the later rounds to be the third guy behind Thomas and Harbor.

 

Don't forget about Clay Harbor in all this. He was shaping up to be a decent outlet for Bortles until Fisch de-emphasized him.

Quote:If we do sign Thomas, I'd wait to draft a TE until later, maybe a Nick Boyle or Blake Bell in the later rounds to be the third guy behind Thomas and Harbor.

 

Don't forget about Clay Harbor in all this. He was shaping up to be a decent outlet for Bortles until Fisch de-emphasized him.

 

Clay Harbor is not a blocking tight end. Getting another tight end would help because we need someone who is a good blocker after cutting Marcedes Lewis.

I think you try to restructure Lewis and sign Thomas. Your not going to find a better blocking TE in the draft or free agency that is also a threat to catch the ball. I think he is the perfect complement to Thomas in a 2 TE set.

I like Jesse james of penn state. Could get him in the 4th, possibly the 5th. He isn't lightning fast but 6'7", very strong, can block and catch. Could be a great red zone target. If we do get julius I think both of them on the field at the same time would work well.

Quote:I like Jesse james of penn state. Could get him in the 3rd or 4th. He isn't lightning fast but 6'7", very strong, and can catch.

He reminds me of Marcedes Lewis.