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I just found this article from the Packer version of BigCatCountry and they don't think that the Packers will tag Cobb or Bulaga. SIGN THEM BOTH, CALDWELL!!! http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/2...yan-bulaga

Doesn't mean they won't work out a long term deal with Cobb though. I think they are content letting Bulaga walk.

Quote:Doesn't mean they won't work out a long term deal with Cobb though. I think they are content letting Bulaga walk.

Exactly.  Just because they're not tagging them doesn't mean both are going to hit free agency. 

Quote:Doesn't mean they won't work out a long term deal with Cobb though. I think they are content letting Bulaga walk.

Man, you gotta think more positively. ha.

Quote:I just found this article from the Packer version of BigCatCountry and they don't think that the Packers will tag Cobb or Bulaga. SIGN THEM BOTH, CALDWELL!!! http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/2...yan-bulaga

 

Last thing I read about Cobb is the Packers are talking to his agent.

Quote:Doesn't mean they won't work out a long term deal with Cobb though. I think they are content letting Bulaga walk.

good, Bulaga is the main guy I want. Sign Bulaga and Julius Thomas and go defense heavy in the draft.

Free Agents:

 

Randall Cobb - WR - Packers - 4 Yrs - 50 Million - 12.5 Mil/Yr

Jerry Hughes - DE Leo - Bills - 4 Yrs - 48 Mil - 12 Mil/Yr

Julius Thomas - TE - Broncos - 4 Yrs - 45 Mil - 11.25 Mil/Yr

Brian Bulaga - ORT - Packers - 4 Yrs - 40 Mil - 10 Mil/Yr

Akeem Ayers - Otto Lb - Patriots - 4 Yrs - 20 Mil - 5 Mil/Yr

 

Draft

 

Rd 1(3) Leonard Williams - DE - USC

Rd 2(36): Maxx Williams - TE - Minnesota

Rd 3(67): Chris Hackett - FS - TCU

Rd 4(103) David Johnson - RB - Northern Iowa

Rd 5(138): Martrell Spaight - LB - Arkansas

Rd 6(175) James Sample - SS - Louisville

Rd 7(211): Max Garcia - OC - Florida

 

That would be quite a haul.

Quote:Good, Bulaga is the main guy I want. Sign Bulaga and Julius Thomas and go defense heavy in the draft.

 

We still need to pick a tight end whether we get Julius Thomas or not.

Still it is hard for me to imagine that the Packers will allow both Bulaga and Cobb to get away. I am thinking that Cobb is going to command more and thus will be the one WR to be allowed to leave. Bulaga might take a hometown discount to stay in Green Bay.

Quote:Free Agents:

 

Randall Cobb - WR - Packers - 4 Yrs - 50 Million - 12.5 Mil/Yr

Jerry Hughes - DE Leo - Bills - 4 Yrs - 48 Mil - 12 Mil/Yr

Julius Thomas - TE - Broncos - 4 Yrs - 45 Mil - 11.25 Mil/Yr

Brian Bulaga - ORT - Packers - 4 Yrs - 40 Mil - 10 Mil/Yr

Akeem Ayers - Otto Lb - Patriots - 4 Yrs - 20 Mil - 5 Mil/Yr

 

Draft

 

Rd 1(3) Leonard Williams - DE - USC

Rd 2(36): Maxx Williams - TE - Minnesota

Rd 3(67): Chris Hackett - FS - TCU

Rd 4(103) David Johnson - RB - Northern Iowa

Rd 5(138): Martrell Spaight - LB - Arkansas

Rd 6(175) James Sample - SS - Louisville

Rd 7(211): Max Garcia - OC - Florida

 

That would be quite a haul.

 

You are significantly overpaying all of those players.

 

Randall Cobb said he's looking for a contract at 9 million dollars a year.  That's 3.5 million more than he's even asking for.

 

Jerry Hughes at 12 per year puts him in the top 5 for DE's.  He could very well get that, but I think he's probably around 10 million per year which is what Demarcus Ware got last year.

 

Julius Thomas won't make 1.25 million more than the 10 million per year Jimmy Graham got last year.  I'm thinking he gets Gronk money at about 9 million per year.

 

Bryan Bulaga was only making 2.6 million per year on his last contract and the highest paid right tackle in the league only makes 7 million.  I highly doubt he see's 10 million per year.  I think he probably see's around half of that at 5 or 6 million.

 

Hayes and Watson were signed for 1-2 million per year.  I think Ayers would be more in line with that.  Maybe 3 million per year.

 

I think you are overpaying by about 14-15 million per year, which can almost buy Suh.

It has been suggested that to attract the top tier Free Agents to a 3-13 team, the Jags will need to use what they have an ample supply of and that is Cap Space. The overpayment is on the order of 120% to 125% of what the Playoff Teams would offer these players.

 

The Jags have to convince these top tier players that they are part of something BIG and it starts by overpaying them BIG!

To me Bulaga is a classic free agent bust. Too many injuries.

It is not hard to imagine how difficult it is to Dave Caldwell to have to overpay top tier talent just to get them to listen to his offer since he is the GM of what he believes is an UP and COMING Team but what appears to these players as a Bottom-dweller team.

Have to overpay by 120-125%?  Is there a link?

 

Don't be silly.  They just have to pay more than what the other teams are offering.  They didn't have to pay a 25% markup on Zane Beadles or Chris Clemons or Red Bryant or Toby Gerhart.  All of those guys are right in line with a normal free agent contract.

 

You also suggested paying almost double what Bulaga and Ayers are worth.  There is a 200% markup for those guys?  I guess we'd have 0 trouble signing anyone we want if we offer them double of what any of the other 31 teams would offer them.

Quote:To me Bulaga is a classic free agent bust. Too many injuries.

Was or is Zane Beadles a Top Tier Player in the NFL?

 

Is Chris Clemons anything other than an older player looking for his last big contract?

 

Is Red Bryant anything other than a 3rd Tier signee?

 

Is Toby Gerhart really an elite RB?

 

If the Jags don't want to overpay then there will be plenty of 2nd and 3rd tier players for them to sign at reasonable contracts, but that requires that the Jags not sign any player in the first couple of days of Free Agency, when the Top Tier Players are signed.

 

The No. 1 Goal for every player in the NFL is to win a Championship and that usually happens when the player signs with a Playoff Caliber team.

 

A 3-13 team, well it takes a bit more convincing and not just a little convincing but a LOT of convincing.

 

Thus the Jags will have to pay 120 to 125 percent of the going rate to get the Top Tier guys to BUY IN to the Jags team.

 

Of course, people can bury their head in the sand and believe whatever they want to believe, but it won't change a thing about the REALITY that the Jags will have to PAY BIG, which is what Dave Caldwell means when he says AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE a player.

Quote:Was or is Zane Beadles a Top Tier Player in the NFL?


Is Chris Clemons anything other than an older player looking for his last big contract?


Is Red Bryant anything other than a 3rd Tier signee?


Is Toby Gerhart really an elite RB?


If the Jags don't want to overpay then there will be plenty of 2nd and 3rd tier players for them to sign at reasonable contracts, but that requires that the Jags not sign any player in the first couple of days of Free Agency, when the Top Tier Players are signed.


The No. 1 Goal for every player in the NFL is to win a Championship and that usually happens when the player signs with a Playoff Caliber team.


A 3-13 team, well it takes a bit more convincing and not just a little convincing but a LOT of convincing.


Thus the Jags will have to pay 120 to 125 percent of the going rate to get the Top Tier guys to BUY IN to the Jags team.


Of course, people can bury their head in the sand and believe whatever they want to believe, but it won't change a thing about the REALITY that the Jags will have to PAY BIG, which is what Dave Caldwell means when he says AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE a player.

Alex Mack, probably the 2nd best center in the NFL, accepted an offer from us that would make him the 2nd highest paid center last year.


Are there players who just wouldn't sign with us unless we significantly overpay? Sure, and the same can be said for any team in the NFL. Its a bunch of bull to say we have to spend 25% more than market value for any top free agents... Its just not true and you have 0 proof of it ever happening. Players, in general, play for whoever will pay them the most.

Quote:Was or is Zane Beadles a Top Tier Player in the NFL?

 

Is Chris Clemons anything other than an older player looking for his last big contract?

 

Is Red Bryant anything other than a 3rd Tier signee?

 

Is Toby Gerhart really an elite RB?

 

If the Jags don't want to overpay then there will be plenty of 2nd and 3rd tier players for them to sign at reasonable contracts, but that requires that the Jags not sign any player in the first couple of days of Free Agency, when the Top Tier Players are signed.

 

The No. 1 Goal for every player in the NFL is to win a Championship and that usually happens when the player signs with a Playoff Caliber team.

 

A 3-13 team, well it takes a bit more convincing and not just a little convincing but a LOT of convincing.

 

Thus the Jags will have to pay 120 to 125 percent of the going rate to get the Top Tier guys to BUY IN to the Jags team.

 

Of course, people can bury their head in the sand and believe whatever they want to believe, but it won't change a thing about the REALITY that the Jags will have to PAY BIG, which is what Dave Caldwell means when he says AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE a player.

 

Overpaying by 20-25% is ludicrous. The annual markup is about 10%.

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The No. 1 Goal for every player in the NFL is to win a Championship and that usually happens when the player signs with a Playoff Caliber team.

 

 

The #1 goal for every player in the NFL that is entering free agency is getting the best possible contract.

In the latest combine news (and ESPN), sources inside the Packers are stating that they are in talks with both Cobb and Bulaga camps, as getting these two signed are the highest priority.  Both players have indicated they would like to play with the Packers.  It will come down to how well the Packers are willing to pay them to keep them.  Using the franchise tag on either player would be giving them a one year deal significantly (and many believe prohibitively) over their long term contract value, and would only be used if they feel they are close to a long term deal on the player.  The Packers are going to try very hard to sign them before other teams can tamper (or contact them) in about 2 weeks.   

 

In Bulaga's case, the highest paid right tackle in the league is playing for $7m per year.  Bulaga was the second best pass protecting right tackle in the league, according to PFF; I would think the Packers would not like to lose this protection for Rogers.  The interesting twist to Bulaga's deliberation was that he was originally supposed to be the Packer's left tackle of the future, that would have had him more likely in the $10-13m per year range if he played at the same level on that side.  Although he did have prior injury issues, I think Bulaga will command $8-9m in the market, if the Packers let him hit free agency.