Doing a little research on a different topic, and Bortles rookie season doesn't even come close to the top of the "Most Interceptions thrown in one season." Like, not-even-Top-100-of-all-time close. Not-even-Top-
200-of-all-time close. Matter of fact, you could double his INTs from this season and it still wouldn't be tops of all time.
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That's very interesting considering that there are a few HoF players that grace your list.
Quote:That's very interesting considering that there are a few HoF players that grace your list.
George Blanda is on the list three times! He's in the top ten
twice!
Well, a few caveats. Blake had 17 INTs in 14 games. He'd be in the 19-20 range if he played all 16 games. You can also argue that Blake went ultra conservative post Bye week to keep his INT down (his YPA became Gabbert-esque to barely 5 ypa after the bye).
Also, 11 TDs.
Peyton Manning in his rookie year threw for 28 INTs (which I think is a rookie record). But he also threw 26 TDs, which was good for 5th in the league back then. Blake's 11 puts him down at 29th, and the guys below him were all part-time starters...so essentially he was last in TD.
Is his rookie year stats all-time bad? No. But frankly, the most disturbing thing is that he clearly regressed as the season went on and became gunshy.
Not really what you want to see.
Bortles was sacked 55 times in 14 games. That was more times than any QB in the league. 16th all time in terms of times being sacked. Were we to add just HALF of Henne's sacks, he would be tied for 4th. If we were to add 3/4th's of Henne's sacks he'd nearly be third. And if we were to add all of Henne's sacks he'd be in 3rd.
His YPA drop also coincides with the loss of Allen Robinson. Not long after we also lost Pazstor.
If Bortles doesn't come out looking pretty good this year, then it's time to worry. But right now, I think he should get a pass for this year.
Quote:Bortles was sacked 55 times in 14 games. That was more times than any QB in the league. 16th all time in terms of times being sacked. Were we to add just HALF of Henne's sacks, he would be tied for 4th. If we were to add 3/4th's of Henne's sacks he'd nearly be third. And if we were to add all of Henne's sacks he'd be in 3rd.
His YPA drop also coincides with the loss of Allen Robinson. Not long after we also lost Pazstor.
If Bortles doesn't come out looking pretty good this year, then it's time to worry. But right now, I think he should get a pass for this year.
It may coincide, but it really doesn't have anything to do Robinson. It's not like Allen was some deep threat. The eye test showed a much more conservative Bortles later in the season, and the stats confirm that.
You can blame it on Robinson, or Pazstor, or even Fisch.
But my opinion, based on what I saw on the field and what I heard off-field (interviews from Blake, Gus, Jedd talking about limiting mistakes)), it was more about a young QB who took less risks (far more conservative than he should have) in order to cut down on his mistakes. Blake had 8 TDs in his first 8 games, but with 14 Ints. In his next 6, he finished with only 3 TDs and 3 INTs. And quite frankly, he didn't really need to. A handful of his INTs were avoidable. There was one where he was scrambling towards the end zone and threw the ball to a covered defender when he could have ran for the first down. There was one that he said "got away" and ended up getting picked in the endzone. I recall another where he scrambled and threw it across his body. That's 3 out of the 14.
Instead of removing those from Blake, it would seem that we limited him overall (again, blame on Jedd's playcalling, Gus, or Blake himself).
Here's hoping that Olson will continue to allow Blake to play like Blake.
Just watch this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLiCehA8TmA
It was night and day from then to what we saw late in the season.
I remember laughing at the Colts during Manning's rookie season.
I've learned that rookie seasons for QBs are not the greatest indicator of career success.
Quote:It may coincide, but it really doesn't have anything to do Robinson. It's not like Allen was some deep threat. The eye test showed a much more conservative Bortles later in the season, and the stats confirm that.
You can blame it on Robinson, or Pazstor, or even Fisch.
But my opinion, based on what I saw on the field and what I heard off-field (interviews from Blake, Gus, Jedd talking about limiting mistakes)), it was more about a young QB who took less risks (far more conservative than he should have) in order to cut down on his mistakes. Blake had 8 TDs in his first 8 games, but with 14 Ints. In his next 6, he finished with only 3 TDs and 3 INTs. And quite frankly, he didn't really need to. A handful of his INTs were avoidable. There was one where he was scrambling towards the end zone and threw the ball to a covered defender when he could have ran for the first down. There was one that he said "got away" and ended up getting picked in the endzone. I recall another where he scrambled and threw it across his body. That's 3 out of the 14.
Instead of removing those from Blake, it would seem that we limited him overall (again, blame on Jedd's playcalling, Gus, or Blake himself).
Here's hoping that Olson will continue to allow Blake to play like Blake.
Just watch this guy
It was night and day from then to what we saw late in the season.
You do understand that the preseason is night and day compared to the regular season right?
Quote:You do understand that the preseason is night and day compared to the regular season right?
I think it's safe to say everyone's hoping he plays that way when he's making the right reads and the game slows down for him.
Quote:You do understand that the preseason is night and day compared to the regular season right?
Yes, of course it's different, but that footwork and release was 10x better than what we saw in the regular season.
He's going to be working on that again all offseason. IMO he's going to come out next season firing..
Quote:You do understand that the preseason is night and day compared to the regular season right?
Yes I do.
You do see the difference in his mechanics and how much velocity he had on his throws, right?
You do see how aggressive he was in the pushing the ball downfield, right?
By that last game in Houston, Bortles mechanics was shot. I mean, we're talking inaccurate wind-up arm throws by the end of the season.
Just to put some perspective on things, I wasn't really trying to point out anything too much about Bortles, and more about how there are some awfully good players on the list of "Most Interceptions Thrown in a Single Season".
Carry on.
Quote:Bortles was sacked 55 times in 14 games. That was more times than any QB in the league. 16th all time in terms of times being sacked. Were we to add just HALF of Henne's sacks, he would be tied for 4th. If we were to add 3/4th's of Henne's sacks he'd nearly be third. And if we were to add all of Henne's sacks he'd be in 3rd.
His YPA drop also coincides with the loss of Allen Robinson. Not long after we also lost Pazstor.
If Bortles doesn't come out looking pretty good this year, then it's time to worry. But right now, I think he should get a pass for this year.
With the various problems the Jaguars had on the Offensive Line, injury situations at TE and RB, and youth at WR, I wonder how many of the Jaguars 2014 sacks were primarily the QB's fault compared to other reasons for the sacks happening.
Quote: With the various problems the Jaguars had on the Offensive Line, injury situations at TE and RB, and youth at WR, I wonder how many of the Jaguars 2014 sacks were primarily the QB's fault compared to other reasons for the sacks happening.
Agree. When you add a relatively bad offensive line, a young qb, and really young wide receiver group, its the perfect storm. I expect everyone to get better. I hope everyone gets better.
Quote:Yes I do.
You do see the difference in his mechanics and how much velocity he had on his throws, right?
You do see how aggressive he was in the pushing the ball downfield, right?
By that last game in Houston, Bortles mechanics was shot. I mean, we're talking inaccurate wind-up arm throws by the end of the season.
Again, it was preseason. Where teams are running vanilla defenses and are rarely blitzing. I remember one preseason game where Gabbert went 15 for 17 and had 150 some odd yards. But then the regular season came..
Hopefully Bortles gets his mechanics worked out this offseason but we won't see any tangible results until the start of the regular season when the bullets start flying.
The Jags look like they are serious about the OL by getting a new OL coach who was a head coach last year. Now we will see when March 10th comes around if they want better players which I am sure they do.
We are going to have a fun time watching them build this team.
Quote:Agree. When you add a relatively bad offensive line, a young qb, and really young wide receiver group, its the perfect storm. I expect everyone to get better. I hope everyone gets better.
While I think there's a good chance Blake Bortles will make substantial improvement in the next couple of seasons, the concerns I would have from a Jaguars standpoint are the pounding Bortles took as a rookie and him being in a different system in his 2nd season. Though gaining playing experience as a rookie can be very valuable in some cases, because of the situation surrounding Bortles, I think it would have been ideal if the Jaguars would have been able to bring him around more slowly. With the transition to a new system on Offense and Bortles still being in the developmental stage, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jaguars Defense and Special Teams have to carry the team for the most part in the 1st half of the 2015 season.
Quote:Again, it was preseason. Where teams are running vanilla defenses and are rarely blitzing. I remember one preseason game where Gabbert went 15 for 17 and had 150 some odd yards. But then the regular season came..
Hopefully Bortles gets his mechanics worked out this offseason but we won't see any tangible results until the start of the regular season when the bullets start flying.
Really don't care about stats. Are you actually denying that Blake Bortles looks the same towards the end of the season, regardless of what's happening around him, compared to how he was in preseason?
Quote: While I think there's a good chance Blake Bortles will make substantial improvement in the next couple of seasons, the concerns I would have from a Jaguars standpoint are the pounding Bortles took as a rookie and him being in a different system in his 2nd season. Though gaining playing experience as a rookie can be very valuable in some cases, because of the situation surrounding Bortles, I think it would have been ideal if the Jaguars would have been able to bring him around more slowly. With the transition to a new system on Offense and Bortles still being in the developmental stage, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jaguars Defense and Special Teams have to carry the team for the most part in the 1st half of the 2015 season.
I'm not really concerned about the pounding. He's a big guy, a mobile one at that who likes to extend plays. Everyone loved the fact that Blake is big/strong and can run...comparing him to Ben R. while knocking Bridgewater's slight frame. I mentioned it then, and I'll mention it again...guys like Ben R. and Blake take a pounding. You have to live with the bad (sacks, big hits) and the good (mobility and extending plays).
Blake was sacked 55 times last season. Higher if he played the entire 16 games. But that's with him as a green rookie and a bunch of young guys around him. With experience (of himself and those around him), it should come down. But as comparison, here's Ben R's sack stats over the years: 30, 23, 46, 47, 46, 50, 32 (12 games), 40, 30 (13 games), 42, 33.
That's probably going to be pretty similar to Blake's over the course of his career. It just comes with the territory.
Quote:Really don't care about stats. Are you actually denying that Blake Bortles looks the same towards the end of the season, regardless of what's happening around him, compared to how he was in preseason?
Are you denying that a no blitz, vanilla ran defense going against a simplified offense wouldn't make any QB with an inkling of talent look good?