01-14-2015, 01:21 PM
Quote:I'm not really worried about who they hire, to be honest.
Yeah, who cares if they hire a dud like Fisch, it isn't like they don't have a reputation for that or something... :mellow:
Quote:I'm not really worried about who they hire, to be honest.
Quote:He'd be a great fit, the West Coast offense is a thing a beauty when ran correctly, it usually takes some time though. You saw a vast improvement in the Giants’ offense this year as the season went along; of course Odell Beckham certainly helped that cause.He'd be a great fit based on what? His past play calling? His ability to craft an offense that will allow us to develop Bortles?
Quote:He'd be a great fit based on what? His past play calling? His ability to craft an offense that will allow us to develop Bortles?
I like Bennett as a position coach. He's nowhere near ready to be the guy running an offense, IMO. With a young offense that has some of the youngest skill players in the NFL, this team needs an OC who has the background to coach this unit into an effective group. I don't see where Bennett has the seasoning to handle that responsibility.
Quote:He'd be a great fit based on what? His past play calling? His ability to craft an offense that will allow us to develop Bortles?
I like Bennett as a position coach. He's nowhere near ready to be the guy running an offense, IMO. With a young offense that has some of the youngest skill players in the NFL, this team needs an OC who has the background to coach this unit into an effective group. I don't see where Bennett has the seasoning to handle that responsibility.
Quote:He'd be a great fit based on what? His past play calling? His ability to craft an offense that will allow us to develop Bortles?
I like Bennett as a position coach. He's nowhere near ready to be the guy running an offense, IMO. With a young offense that has some of the youngest skill players in the NFL, this team needs an OC who has the background to coach this unit into an effective group. I don't see where Bennett has the seasoning to handle that responsibility.
Quote:I understand the concern, but if you're looking for an experienced coordinator that has had success calling plays and
developing a young QB I believe you're going to be disappointed. There are not too many candidates available that can claim they've done such a thing, maybe a Bill Callahan or Rick Dennison? Both of those guys are surely hot commodities so there's no guarantee they'd come here, Edgar Bennett has coached under one of the brightest offensive minds in football in Mike McCarthy, MM speaks highly of him. Ben Macadoo didn't call plays in GB and had a lot of success coordinating the New York Giants offense especially as the season went along, I understand he has a veteran QB in Eli Manning but you can't discredit the job he's done. Also, as I mentioned earlier the Jaguars have similar skill players to the Packers, it'd make sense to implement an offense that took advantage of Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson strengths, both guys were lauded for the YAC abilities, the West Coast offense emphasizes YAC. I believe the Jaguars OC target is currently coaching in the playoffs, when you start to narrow down the candidates Bennett makes as much sense as anyone else, just my opinion.
Quote:which guys do you like for the OC position?
Quote:Of the group they're looking at currently, or in general?hahahahah Yea... Let's definitely get someone from the Jets offense. No to Bennett and yes to Lynn? Yikes.
I'd be fine with Callahan. I think he'd help the line significantly.
I think Trestman would be a good fit if the goal is to have a coordinator who has a track record working with young QBs.
I'm not averse to looking at position coaches like Linehan. I know Schefter reported the other day the team had requested permission from Dallas to interview him. I'm wondering if the subsequent request to talk to Callahan was possibly the result of Jerry Jones saying no to the Linehan request?
A name that popped up earlier this week is Rick Dennison, the QB coach in Baltimore. He's a guy that has been an effective OC getting more than 8,500 passing yards out of Jay Cutler in his first 2 years in Denver, then making Matt Schaub look like a legitimate starter in Houston with his 4,000 yard season. He's got a background as an offensive line coach as well for several years. The guy coached Flacco to his best season statistically for yardage and touchdowns. I'm not sure if he would have any interest in parting ways with his coordinator, but with Kubiak pulling his name out of consideration in Chicago, it seems like he might need to in order to take that next step.
I'd be okay with someone like Anthony Lynn if the expectation is that we'll keep Scelfo as the QB coach. He's got a good background in developing the running game in NY despite their lackluster passing attack.
Quote:I understand the concern, but if you're looking for an experienced coordinator that has had success calling plays andActually, there are quite a few candidates out there that the team could pursue who have both coordinator and head coaching background. Both Callahan and Dennison would almost have to be on the Jags radar, and we know that they're looking to interview one of them for sure.
developing a young QB I believe you're going to be disappointed. There are not too many candidates available that can claim they've done such a thing, maybe a Bill Callahan or Rick Dennison? Both of those guys are surely hot commodities so there's no guarantee they'd come here, Edgar Bennett has coached under one of the brightest offensive minds in football in Mike McCarthy, MM speaks highly of him. Ben Macadoo didn't call plays in GB and had a lot of success coordinating the New York Giants offense especially as the season went along, I understand he has a veteran QB in Eli Manning but you can't discredit the job he's done. Also, as I mentioned earlier the Jaguars have similar skill players to the Packers, it'd make sense to implement an offense that took advantage of Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson strengths, both guys were lauded for the YAC abilities, the West Coast offense emphasizes YAC. I believe the Jaguars OC target is currently coaching in the playoffs, when you start to narrow down the candidates Bennett makes as much sense as anyone else, just my opinion.
Quote:hahahahah Yea... Let's definitely get someone from the Jets offense. No to Bennett and yes to Lynn? Yikes.
Quote:Actually, there are quite a few candidates out there that the team could pursue who have both coordinator and head coaching background. Both Callahan and Dennison would almost have to be on the Jags radar, and we know that they're looking to interview one of them for sure.
I don't really care how highly McCarthy speaks about Bennett. He's still not at the point where I'd trust handing this offense to him, IMO.
I'd discount Macadoo as well. He works for Coughlin. We know the drill for his offensive play calling. Coordinators seem to go to work for Coughlin and no matter how creative they might be, their offense looks identical to what the guy they're replacing ran. Coughlin calls the shots on offense even now in NY.
Sorry, but this team is too young to go with a first time coordinator. They need a guy who is ready to step into that role and turn things around quickly. You're more likely to get there with a proven entity, and in year 3 of a rebuild, we don't need someone who is just trying to figure it out.
Quote:FBT seems to think Bennett has no role in the prep and game planning with the Packers. He'd be very wrong in that regard. Also great post.
Quote:it's amazing that Gus didn't see that as a problem to begin with.
Also, why in the world is he even interviewing people that haven't had OC experience? Boggles the mind.
I agree that we need an OC that has had experience ans success previously. Anything else and you're setting yourself up for failure.
Quote:Actually, there are quite a few candidates out there that the team could pursue who have both coordinator and head coaching background. Both Callahan and Dennison would almost have to be on the Jags radar, and we know that they're looking to interview one of them for sure.
I don't really care how highly McCarthy speaks about Bennett. He's still not at the point where I'd trust handing this offense to him, IMO.
I'd discount Macadoo as well. He works for Coughlin. We know the drill for his offensive play calling. Coordinators seem to go to work for Coughlin and no matter how creative they might be, their offense looks identical to what the guy they're replacing ran. Coughlin calls the shots on offense even now in NY.
Sorry, but this team is too young to go with a first time coordinator. They need a guy who is ready to step into that role and turn things around quickly. You're more likely to get there with a proven entity, and in year 3 of a rebuild, we don't need someone who is just trying to figure it out.
Quote:So we should take your word over McCarthy's? I'll take an established coaches opinion over a message board admin. It's not like you haven't been proven wrong several times on this board. I do however respect your opinion. Whoever our OC is I hope Caldwell and Gus feel he is the best guy for the job
Quote:http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2015/1/14/7...c-position
Here's an excerpt from the article
"It was a very curious move for Gus Bradley to fire Jedd Fisch. They were such good friends and all that. Hey, you go to a rookie quarterback, and the expectations are you're only going to get 14-16 points a game. That's reality, particularly knowing they didn't have a running game. So, Rick Dennison can be a candidate, but I think a lot of people are shying away from the job because it's going to take some time for this team to build up."