Quote:Interesting take but I'll take the wait and see approach to your statement until the fried chicken harbinger chimes in with his intellectual discourse.
I'm sure you can find articles that mention it somewhere across the internet, but I read some of the bigger sites and not a thing was mentioned.
Quote:You know what was amazing yesterday? Todd Bowles was signed to coach the Jets. The articles I read nobody mentioned he was African American, or that he was the whatever # of African Americans that have coached in the NFL.
It wasnt a feel good story, he was just a football coach like everyone. The way it should be.
Todd Bowles wasnt a black teen who saved a officer's life after that same cop arrested him earlier.
Quote:Todd Bowles wasnt a black teen who saved a officer's life after that same cop arrested him earlier.
But he was a Rooney Rule quota filler. Too bad we still have that abomination in place.
Quote:But he was a Rooney Rule quota filler. Too bad we still have that abomination in place.
I know, let's further reduce interview opportunities for minorities and make them get it the hard way right?
Quote:I know, let's further reduce interview opportunities for minorities and make them get it the hard way right?
If, by 'hard way', you mean that they should earn the job by the merit of their work, then yes they should earn it the 'hard way'.
Quote:If, by 'hard way', you mean that they should earn the job by the merit of their work, then yes they should earn it the 'hard way'.
You're not suggesting there be equality are you? Despicable!
Quote:If, by 'hard way', you mean that they should earn the job by the merit of their work, then yes they should earn it the 'hard way'.
What about reducing interview opportunities which was the goal of the Rooney Rule which was to increase them?
Quote:What about reducing interview opportunities which was the goal of the Rooney Rule which was to increase them?
So, ummmmm, are you suggesting that NFL management won't interview minority candidates unless forced to? Or are you suggesting that minority coaches can't earn interviews on their own merits? I'd say the war on racism in the NFL is won; you should declare victory and go home. Or will this be like the feminist's war on men where it won't be won until women are MORE equal than men?
Quote:What about reducing interview opportunities which was the goal of the Rooney Rule which was to increase them?
I'm with flsprtsgod on this one. You're saying that the NFL wont interview minorities or that minorities can't earn them. I think it's a bit absurd to suggest that an organization as competitive as the NFL wont interview minorities when it's clear that they'd take anyone that gave them the best chance to win. Especially since the NFL is 68% black.
Maybe we should have equal demographics for players too?? The best man wins the job.
Right now, black players are proving to be the better players and white coaches are proving to be the better coaches. I'm sure that'll all change in time (both sides).
Quote:So, ummmmm, are you suggesting that NFL management won't interview minority candidates unless forced to? Or are you suggesting that minority coaches can't earn interviews on their own merits? I'd say the war on racism in the NFL is won; you should declare victory and go home. Or will this be like the feminist's war on men where it won't be won until women are MORE equal than men?
Yup. It isn't about equality at all really.
Quote:I'm with flsprtsgod on this one. You're saying that the NFL wont interview minorities or that minorities can't earn them. I think it's a bit absurd to suggest that an organization as competitive as the NFL wont interview minorities when it's clear that they'd take anyone that gave them the best chance to win. Especially since the NFL is 68% black.
Maybe we should have equal demographics for players too?? The best man wins the job.
Right now, black players are proving to be the better players and white coaches are proving to be the better coaches. I'm sure that'll all change in time (both sides).
Yup. It isn't about equality at all really.
Nope. I asked you do you think interview opportunties for minority candidates should be scaled back? I didn't say or allude to anything about minorities not being able to earn them on their own merit.
Art Rooney (and the other owners) approved the rule, so they saw first hand the lack of consideration minority coaches were afforded when it came to interviewing for head coaching positions.
Quote:Nope. I asked you do you think interview opportunties for minority candidates should be scaled back?
Of course they shouldn't, but they shouldn't be coerced either.
Quote:Nope. I asked you do you think interview opportunties for minority candidates should be scaled back? I didn't say or allude to anything about minorities not being able to earn them on their own merit.
Art Rooney (and the other owners) approved the rule, so they saw first hand the lack of consideration minority coaches were afforded when it came to interviewing for head coaching positions.
You question wasn't very clear, so I didn't understand it. To be fair, you did elude to minorities not needing to be interviewed base on merit with your initial post when you talked about the 'hard way'. Earning it = the hard way
Eliminating the Rooney Rule doesn't mean they're going to scale back on minority hires. You seem to believe that this rule somehow saves minority hires and gives them a fighting chance when they would otherwise not have it.
There are only 32 teams in the NFL. These people talk and they all have an idea which coaches are up-and-comers and which ones aren't that good. Just because Rooney was an advocate for this change, it doesn't mean he's the foremost expert or that it's even necessary right now.
Quote:You question wasn't very clear, so I didn't understand it. To be fair, you did elude to minorities not needing to be interviewed base on merit with your initial post when you talked about the 'hard way'. Earning it = the hard way
Eliminating the Rooney Rule doesn't mean they're going to scale back on minority hires. You seem to believe that this rule somehow saves minority hires and gives them a fighting chance when they would otherwise not have it.
There are only 32 teams in the NFL. These people talk and they all have an idea which coaches are up-and-comers and which ones aren't that good. Just because Rooney was an advocate for this change, it doesn't mean he's the foremost expert or that it's even necessary right now.
The question was clear enough where you cherry picked the last part initially. I was actually asking a rhetorical question sarcastically.
The whole point of establishing the Rooney Rule was to create a fair and balanced interview and promotion process. Rooney was an advocate for the change because again he along with the leauge saw issues regarding the lack of diversity. He didn't have to be an expert, Dungy, and other former league personnel pushed for the change, he had the power to convince the other owners the rule would be good for the NFL. If he saw it as a pointless measure, he would have never pursued the creation of the rule, or call for it to end. I'll wait for the legitimate uproar from owners stating that it's a waste of time, and needs to be abolished before even giving the question of its existence a second look.
I always wondered what minority coaches thought about the Rooney Rule. I mean the majority of the minority interviewees have to be aware that they are only getting it to satisfy the rule right? That can't feel any better than not getting an interview.
Quote:I always wondered what minority coaches thought about the Rooney Rule. I mean the majority of the minority interviewees have to be aware that they are only getting it to satisfy the rule right? That can't feel any better than not getting an interview.
The core opposition issues with any form of affirmative action: the minority is just a token to fulfill the rule or a lesser qualified candidate gains a position solely on skin color.
Quote:I always wondered what minority coaches thought about the Rooney Rule. I mean the majority of the minority interviewees have to be aware that they are only getting it to satisfy the rule right? That can't feel any better than not getting an interview.
People tend to hire people they know and have worked with. The Rooney Rule was enacted in order to make minority candidates more familiar to the powers that be. It's about impressing people, so that the next go around you are interviewing with people who are somewhat familiar with you. So, yes, I would think most minority interviewees see the process as beneficial.
It's not so much that you'll get hired for this job; it's about getting in the line to be considered for the next one.
From what I've read the Rooney Rule benefited Mike Tomlin greatly. The Steelers had no expectation of hiring him until he impressed in an interview as a result of the Rooney Rule. I'm sure there are probably other examples.