He's 100-95-1 over a 12 year career and 0-6 during the postseason. Now in most cases that would be enough to get a mediocre coach fired but considering where the Bengals were, and where they are now should make the owner pause. Going back a few decades the past coaches were Dick LeBeau, who went 12-33. Bruce Coslet was 21-39. Dave Shula went 19-52. So a case could be made that Lewis deserves even more time since he has brought the Bengals from irrelevancy. (And as fans of the Jags we can relate to that over the past 5 years or so) But then again Marty Schottenheimer was fired after a 14-2 season and multiple playoff fails.
If Im the Bengals owner, I will look at the potential coaching pool this year and next year. Whichever one is more favorable is where Lewis gets fired.
Not sure how much you guys know about the Cincinnati organization. I live in Cincinnati so I know a bit more. Mike Brown is one of the worst owners in sports. Absolutely putrid. Honestly, I expect Marvin to back again, he is that stupid. Marvin has turned the organization around since he took over. Since they have finally got a talented roster he has done nothing with it since making the playoffs.
Firing Marvin Lewis would be a mistake. One-and-done is better than not making it to the playoffs at all, which is about the best Cincy could muster under his predecessors.
If I were Marvin Lewis I would go to Mike Brown and ask how much he is committed to Dalton going forward. If Brown is committed to Dalton like I'm sure he is, you resign on the spot. If Lewis' true mission is to win a Super Bowl it is not going to happen with Dalton.
The Bengals organization is just spinning its wheels with Dalton and will waiste the best years of a pretty dang good team because their QB cannot get them over the hump.
Quote:Firing Marvin Lewis would be a mistake. One-and-done is better than not making it to the playoffs at all, which is about the best Cincy could muster under his predecessors.
A mistake only if you dont care about winning a superbowl
Quote:If I were Marvin Lewis I would go to Mike Brown and ask how much he is committed to Dalton going forward. If Brown is committed to Dalton like I'm sure he is, you resign on the spot. If Lewis' true mission is to win a Super Bowl it is not going to happen with Dalton.
The Bengals organization is just spinning its wheels with Dalton and will waiste the best years of a pretty dang good team because their QB cannot get them over the hump.
Dalton just agreed to a 6 year, $115 million extension back in August. The guaranteed money was front loaded, and everything beyond this season is basically a year-to-year contract. Brown's contractual commitment is pretty fluid with Dalton beyond this season.
As far as the QB being to blame for them not being able to get over the hump, I tend to be a little skeptical of that viewpoint. Especially when his two best weapons in the passing game weren't on the field. Dalton had no control over that this year. What I do know is that with Dalton and Green on the roster, they've made the post season every year. If you're going to blame him for the losses in the playoffs, you also have to credit him for the wins that got them there in the first place.
I think the team is going to stick with Dalton, and I think Marvin Lewis is on board for that. They had the right game plan yesterday to deal with Indy. They just didn't execute as effectively as they could have, and part of that is due to the injuries they were dealing with. When they did try to stretch the field, the talent behind the injured players just wasn't as good. There's a reason Green was drafted as high as he was.
With Gresham and Green out yesterday, that took away Dalton's two favorite targets in the passing game. Not sure how that becomes his fault, and how he's to blame for the team not being able to get over the hump.
As far as Marvin Lewis is concerned, I doubt there's any heat on him, especially with Brown as his boss. He's averaged 10 wins a season since 2011. He's had the best 4 year stretch of his entire career in Cincy. He's also only had 4 losing seasons in the 12 he's been there, the last being in 2010. I doubt Cincy is hot to replace him despite the playoff woes. At least they're getting there.
Quote:A mistake only if you dont care about winning a superbowl
Just getting to the playoffs is a big enough challenge. Once you're there, it's as much about luck as it is about skill and coaching. It's not like Cincy is losing to lesser teams. Indy was clearly the better team yesterday.
Quote:A mistake only if you dont care about winning a superbowl
Ok TMD. Bet you anything that if Lewis were fired today, you'd be jumping up and down for him to take over the Jaguars tomorrow.
Quote:Dalton just agreed to a 6 year, $115 million extension back in August. The guaranteed money was front loaded, and everything beyond this season is basically a year-to-year contract. Brown's contractual commitment is pretty fluid with Dalton beyond this season.
As far as the QB being to blame for them not being able to get over the hump, I tend to be a little skeptical of that viewpoint. Especially when his two best weapons in the passing game weren't on the field. Dalton had no control over that this year. What I do know is that with Dalton and Green on the roster, they've made the post season every year. If you're going to blame him for the losses in the playoffs, you also have to credit him for the wins that got them there in the first place.
I think the team is going to stick with Dalton, and I think Marvin Lewis is on board for that. They had the right game plan yesterday to deal with Indy. They just didn't execute as effectively as they could have, and part of that is due to the injuries they were dealing with. When they did try to stretch the field, the talent behind the injured players just wasn't as good. There's a reason Green was drafted as high as he was.
With Gresham and Green out yesterday, that took away Dalton's two favorite targets in the passing game. Not sure how that becomes his fault, and how he's to blame for the team not being able to get over the hump.
As far as Marvin Lewis is concerned, I doubt there's any heat on him, especially with Brown as his boss. He's averaged 10 wins a season since 2011. He's had the best 4 year stretch of his entire career in Cincy. He's also only had 4 losing seasons in the 12 he's been there, the last being in 2010. I doubt Cincy is hot to replace him despite the playoff woes. At least they're getting there.
I agree, Dalton may have choked other years, but he didnt stand a chance with what they had out there last Sunday.
Quote:Ok TMD. Bet you anything that if Lewis were fired today, you'd be jumping up and down for him to take over the Jaguars tomorrow.
First off, That TMD insult is a low blow. Second, I would absolutely be against Lewis coming here in any capacity.
Quote:Just getting to the playoffs is a big enough challenge. Once you're there, it's as much about luck as it is about skill and coaching. It's not like Cincy is losing to lesser teams. Indy was clearly the better team yesterday.
Fair point. Cincy has gone up against better teams in the wild card rounds. However, Isn't it his responsibility the team get better to then go up against said "better team" by his 6th season in the playoffs? Even with Green and his TE, He still wouldn't have won that game. That falls on both Lewis/GM (For not getting the team better) and Dalton (For not being at his best in playoff time).
It depends on how you prefer to run a team. Go with a veteran presence, Spend money, and barely make the playoffs each year then get knocked out round 1 or 2? Or keep feeding your team with rookies and cut players/coaches/regimes loose when they stall out (progess wise) after 2-3 years. Im all for patience. 3 years of the same result is enough.