Quote:I disagree with pretty much all of this. I think a potential game breaking pass rusher or safety would win us more games than a potential game breaking RB, and I also think the premium draft and FA talent that is available is higher at DE and safety too.
Draft talent at running back is deeper than safety and probably DE too just about.
Quote:I disagree with pretty much all of this. I think a potential game breaking pass rusher or safety would win us more games than a potential game breaking RB, and I also think the premium draft and FA talent that is available is higher at DE and safety too.
Do you believe Cyp, relative to safeties in the league, played at least average and has yet to hit his peak?
Do you believe this team has some of the worst speed at RB and a pretty bad screen game?
Quote:Do you believe Cyp, relative to safeties in the league, played at least average and has yet to hit his peak?
Do you believe this team has some of the worst speed at RB and a pretty bad screen game?
Cyp has played 4 seasons and started 60 games. He is what he is, there's no hidden talent to unlock at this point. He is roughly average at the position, but he is playing the position in the absolute most basic and unimpactul way the position can be played. If he were playing the position in the same manner as a lot of the other SS in the league he would be far below average.
I do believe we need an upgrade at RB, it's just not as bad as the upgrade we need at SS. I also believe the pass rushers like Allen/Thomas/Williams or safeties Adams/Hooker are superior to Cook and Fournette. They will generally have longer careers, with longer peak durations, will suffer fewer injuries throughout, and quality options can historically be found later in the draft. Especially in this extremely deep and diverse RB class.
For example: Pumphery and Hunt are both looking great in this Senior Bowl (and did all week in practice), and one if not both of them will probably be available for us to take early on day 3 in this class.
Quote:I disagree with pretty much all of this. I think a potential game breaking pass rusher or safety would win us more games than a potential game breaking RB, and I also think the premium draft and FA talent that is available is higher at DE and safety too.
I agree. A RB would be nice, probably help the offense a lot in fact, but the defense was pretty much incapable of holding a lead against most teams. A top pass rusher would help that a lot. You won't win many games when the other team can score as often as they feel like really trying hard at it.
The week seventeen loss to the colts was a microcosm of the defense's play this year. Seemed pretty good as long as you weren't asking them to be good enough to win a game.
The 3rd round is where a running back should be targeted. Maybe even the 4th.
Tons of talented guys there. No need to draft a RB at #4 when similar production can be had in the 3rd of 4th.
Quote:The 3rd round is where a running back should be targeted. Maybe even the 4th.
Tons of talented guys there. No need to draft a RB at #4 when similar production can be had in the 3rd of 4th.
That's the sweet spot for me too. Pumphery with his class leading speed and elusiveness in the 3rd or 4th would be the perfect change of pace to Ivory.
Quote:That's the sweet spot for me too. Pumphery with his class leading speed and elusiveness in the 3rd or 4th would be the perfect change of pace to Ivory.
I like the idea of Pumphery as that playmaker sproles type role but he is tiny. Like 5'7 165 or so.
Only really like McCaffrey/Samuel/pumphery for that role and the first two won't be there in the 3rd. If a guy like Hunt/Perine is there I'd probably take them.
Quote:I like the idea of Pumphery as that playmaker sproles type role but he is tiny. Like 5'7 165 or so.
Only really like McCaffrey/Samuel/pumphery for that role and the first two won't be there in the 3rd. If a guy like Hunt/Perine is there I'd probably take them.
He is small, but you wouldn't know it watching him attack the hole. He runs between the tackles as fearlessly as anyone in the class.
Quote:He is small, but you wouldn't know it watching him attack the hole. He runs between the tackles as fearlessly as anyone in the class.
Its one thing doing that in college though. Is he like a Tyreek kind of speed/agility or a notch below that
Quote:I feel like people hating Cyp have never watched another NFL team and how bad a lot of SS really are. It could be so much worse.
I think that's what people do with most of our players. Like someone else said he may be average but where are we going to find someone better? The draft? We have bigger holes then SS.
Quote:Cyp is alright...not great...not terrible.
Quote:If we draft Adams, it's all a mute point......
I agree with both of these posts.
Cyp solidified his game and did his job last year. The thing is, he's just not much of a playmaker, and we can do better. Adams would put Cyp to shame.
Quote:Cyp has played 4 seasons and started 60 games. He is what he is, there's no hidden talent to unlock at this point. He is roughly average at the position, but he is playing the position in the absolute most basic and unimpactul way the position can be played. If he were playing the position in the same manner as a lot of the other SS in the league he would be far below average.
I do believe we need an upgrade at RB, it's just not as bad as the upgrade we need at SS. I also believe the pass rushers like Allen/Thomas/Williams or safeties Adams/Hooker are superior to Cook and Fournette. They will generally have longer careers, with longer peak durations, will suffer fewer injuries throughout, and quality options can historically be found later in the draft. Especially in this extremely deep and diverse RB class.
For example: Pumphery and Hunt are both looking great in this Senior Bowl (and did all week in practice), and one if not both of them will probably be available for us to take early on day 3 in this class.
Hunt definitely made some money today and boosted his draft stock. Ran hard all game, was very quick at getting through holes and showed great balance. He was a load to bring down all game long.
I wonder if he dropped the weight so he could move and run a little faster for this game and the combine and such. They said he played at 225ish during the year, but weighed in at 208 for the Senior Bowl? I wonder if he'll try and stay around 210, or if he'll bulk back up.
Quote:Cyp --- the dude that celebrates tackling a RB or WR after a 7 yard gain on 1st down.
I just saw this rewatching the raiders game. 1St play of the game. 6-7yrd pickup on a run from 1st down, he does the mike tyson punchout uppercut.
I would try to retain Cyp but if someone wants to make him a highly paid safety- I would let them overpay for him. Just not enough impact plays IMO.
Not a big fan of developing a guy for 4 years then letting him walk cuz he isn't a star yet, thinking he's easily replaceable. What happened with Reggie Nelson? How long did it take to find a decent FS after he moved on and became one heck of a player?
The way people are wanting to replace Cyp, you can substitute anybody on the roster in this conversation.
Everybody is replaceable.
Coughlin will keep him at a decent price and it's one less problem we have to worry about.
We have bigger issues to fill other than an average SS.
Quote:Not a big fan of developing a guy for 4 years then letting him walk cuz he isn't a star yet, thinking he's easily replaceable. What happened with Reggie Nelson? How long did it take to find a decent FS after he moved on and became one heck of a player?
Right there with you. I get the price aspect.
But it took from Nelson leaving to last year to get decent FS play. 7 years? Something like that.
I would keep him. Better at filling in the gap tackler when he needs to. A lot better than Prince and Gipson. At least he isn't blaming coaches for his lack of skill like Gipson. Like I said. He reminds me of Bob Sanders.
I'd rather save the money and draft Budda Baker in the 2nd. He is more like Sanders than Cyprien, in my opinion.
Cyprien like Bob Sanders...now I've heard it all.