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Bring back Meester, Manuwai, Nwaneri, Monroe.

Those tweets from O'Halloran are interesting. I'd have to watch the game again but it seemed like BB didn't have much time most of the game. Has anyone re-watched and really taken a look at it? I know Mercilus (I think) blew up Luke on one play.

Zone blocking is too cute. You fit your scheme to your players not the players to a scheme.


Why is this concept so difficult for coaches?

We need 2 vet signings on OL: A barely competent LG to push Beadles and a good RT.


Break the bank on a FS and spend a decent chunk on TE. Draft DL/LB early. Done.

Quote:Those tweets from O'Halloran are interesting. I'd have to watch the game again but it seemed like BB didn't have much time most of the game. Has anyone re-watched and really taken a look at it? I know Mercilus (I think) blew up Luke on one play.

I was at the game. Blake had like zero time. The funny thing is Joeckel did a suprisingly good job against Watt.

Quote:I was at the game. Blake had like zero time. The funny thing is Joeckel did a suprisingly good job against Watt.

It amazed me how often we let Watt go completely untouched. That bootleg sack where Blake slipped is one example. Though had he not slipped it looked like he was getting ready to throw before Watt would have gotten there.

Quote:Zone blocking is too cute. You fit your scheme to your players not the players to a scheme.


Why is this concept so difficult for coaches?

They specifically brought in people to fit that scheme so you would be asking the players to run a scheme for which they are even less suited.

 

You basically have 5 guys out there that have never worked with each other before this season, most of whom have very little experience. They would make any scheme look bad.

They need to bring in a couple of young vets coming off their rookie contracts who are hungry for a starting job to either take starting spots or push incumbents to play at a higher level.

 

There are some guys out there with potential that are stuck behind entrenched starters. The trick is recognizing them and signing them.

Pastor will be back next year; worst case scenario he's at least got another year of experience at RT and the entire O-line has had close to a full season to gel.  However, I would bet they bring in a mid-round pick or mid-tier FA to compete. 

The OL must be addressed.  Robinson is not a power back that is going to break tackles; he needs a hole.  Bortles will develop into David Carr if he is not better protected.  

 

Joeckel- Give him one more offseason to give him a shot for improvement and strength. 

Beadles- He's a underperforming and overpaid vet....challenge him, bring in another vet or draft pick.

Bowanko- He's a surprise performer for his later pick would suggest...ride him for another developmental year.

Linder- I thought he was a poor pick; I was wrong...he'll be a solid starter for years to come.

Pasztor- A backup OT and swing OG that got overhyped...replace him with a vet.  

Remember a few years back when we were all whining and complaining about our D Line?  They started drafting D Line and bringing guys in left and right and now I think our D Line is pretty good and we have decent depth.  We need to do that with the O Line this offseason.  Bring in vets and draft a couple of guys.  I think we will be OK with Linder, Joeckel and Bowanko.  It would be nice to have a couple of guys that can move around the line when needed.

Quote:They specifically brought in people to fit that scheme so you would be asking the players to run a scheme for which they are even less suited.

 

You basically have 5 guys out there that have never worked with each other before this season, most of whom have very little experience. They would make any scheme look bad.

 

The fish are in a similar position. I haven't paid much attention to them, but I don't think they're blaming the OL as much as we are.


 

Did Denver use a ZBS the year before Manning arrived? I don't think they did. If not, then Beadles had no experience as a zone blocker before he came here. I don't think Texas A&M (Joeckel) or Virginia (Linder) did either.

Quote:Zone blocking is too cute. You fit your scheme to your players not the players to a scheme.


Why is this concept so difficult for coaches?

 

Because they're not listening to you?

Quote:Zone blocking is too cute. You fit your scheme to your players not the players to a scheme.

Why is this concept so difficult for coaches?

The Texans are a zone blocking team. It didn't look all that cute yesterday.

Quote:The Texans are a zone blocking team. It didn't look all that cute yesterday.

Exacly. To many people get hung up on the scheme thing. Almost every team runs both zone/gap blocking plays throughout each game. The difference is simple, their players are better than ours so they are successful and we are not.


If I had to guess right now I would guess that the only major change along the Offensive line we see going into next season is possibly a new RT. Joeckel, Beadles, Bowanko, and Linder IMO will be back with expectation that all the young guys take a big step forward in the offseason and the young guys better as a collective will help Beadles as well.


If Gus and Caldwell are true to their philosophy they will bring in quality competition to push or replace most of these guys and let them fight it out for a spot.


I also feel like Yarno not being around has hurt the group as well. Perhaps Butkus is not quite ready to be leading the offensive line just yet.

I really don't think Zane has been THAT bad. Certainly not 5 years 30 million level, but not awful enough that he needs to be replaced immediately. Not like we need the extra cap space.

Quote:The Texans are a zone blocking team. It didn't look all that cute yesterday.

Yep. And Zone blocking isn't a thing on passing downs.

Quote:@ryanohalloran: Texans four sacks of Bortles

1. Watt unblocked on boot

2. Watt unblocked/coverage sack

3. Watt beat Young

4. Reed coverage sack

The end usually foes unblocked on a bootleg to that side.


So then we can fault our backup RT with one sack against the best pass rusher in the league.


Also this clamoring for veteran olinemen in free agency..


1. If they're good, they don't hit free agency


B. Next year our rookie olinemen will be veteran olinemen for all intensive porpoise.

Quote:B. Next year our rookie olinemen will be veteran olinemen for all intensive porpoise.

Agreed. I'm all for bringing in some vets to compete, same with drafting more o-lineman to push the young guys we have now. I think everybody is just so frustrated with how the season's going they're looking past the fact that Bowanko and Linder are rookies and Joeckle only recently got a full season's worth of games under his belt. I understand the frustration but I also realize that these guys are very young and should improve. 

 

If the young guys improve like expected as well as Pasztor/New guy at RT I think the Oline will look differently. Also I feel if the young guys play better, Beadles will look better as it appears he is a guy that is best as a part of a collective rather than a dominant G on his own. 

Quote:The fish are in a similar position. I haven't paid much attention to them, but I don't think they're blaming the OL as much as we are.


 

Did Denver use a ZBS the year before Manning arrived? I don't think they did. If not, then Beadles had no experience as a zone blocker before he came here. I don't think Texas A&M (Joeckel) or Virginia (Linder) did either.

The only time Beadles wasn't in a zone scheme was his rookie year. That year (2010) was the only year since Shanahan took over in 1995 that the broncos hadn't run a zone blocking scheme (that also was the season that got McDaniels fired). Fox runs a zone blocking scheme.