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Quote:If the fans say change the coaches, they probably should. After all, the fans are the experts, right?

 

Because the staff isn't 6-22 

Quote:Because the staff isn't 6-22 

Because there is no learning curve in Madden. You can't just hit a few buttons and completely change up your personnel, plays you call, or your entire offense and expect players to transition seamlessly like they do in a video game.

 

This is the real world where it often takes years of study and practice for players to become proficient at their profession. Like coaches and former players have described it, learning on the field is like going to grad school. A bit more complicated than learning a video game.

 

You don't expect an undergrad to have the training, understanding, or experience to go into a profession and execute it the way that someone could with a Master's degree.

 

It is funny how naive some of you are to think Fisch is supposed to magically get a graduate level of performance from a bunch of rookie and second year players.

From my humble observations, the rookie WRs aren't playing like rookies anymore.  I don't think the rookie/inexperience excuse holds much water in terms of that.

 

Now BB5...  He's still not recognizing the right reads, pre-snap.  How much is that on the coaches?  I'd have to say at least 50%.  

 

But again, there's still 4 more games to watch.  I'm excited to see the offense open up a bit.

 

Let's go Jags!

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I think it's silly to say that firing an incompetent OC is detrimental to a rookie QB's development.  Keeping an incompetent OC is just as bad has changing things up.  I mean, that's common sense, right?

It's also common sense to say that learning a new offense will take a large portion of Blake's focus during the offseason (and beyond) when he could be using that time and energy to expand upon the offense he's just beginning to grasp right now.  Therefore - it puts the brakes on his development when we'd prefer to stay on the gas. 

 

Both points hold water. Of course  - your point dictates that one believes Fisch is incompetent. I don't share that opinion. 

Quote:Because there is no learning curve in Madden. You can't just hit a few buttons and completely change up your personnel, plays you call, or your entire offense and expect players to transition seamlessly like they do in a video game.

 

This is the real world where it often takes years of study and practice for players to become proficient at their profession. Like coaches and former players have described it, learning on the field is like going to grad school. A bit more complicated than learning a video game.

 

You don't expect an undergrad to have the training, understanding, or experience to go into a profession and execute it the way that someone could with a Master's degree.

 

It is funny how naive some of you are to think Fisch is supposed to magically get a graduate level of performance from a bunch of rookie and second year players.

 

 

 

He'll never get graduate level performance out of them because he isn't a masters program level professor. 

These people insinuate that Fisch is a good coach, really?

 

Quote:These people insinuate that Fisch is a good coach, really?

 

 

Careful now it takes talent to be ranked 31st in offense, if you don't think so you like madden or something like that. 

Quote:He'll never get graduate level performance out of them because he isn't a masters program level professor. 

The guy has 11 years of NFL experience. That shows how clueless you are to his qualifications.

Quote:Careful now it takes talent to be ranked 31st in offense, if you don't think so you like madden or something like that. 

Because starting as many as 6 rookies at a time, more than any other team in the NFL, wouldn't have anything to do with that.

 

Besides, it's not like the amateur coaching staffs that NFL teams employ would know how to take advantage of inexperience. Fisch doesn't face anyone competent, he's just bad because he can't find constancy against all these incompetent coaching staffs using extremely inexperienced  talent.

I wanted to drop this observation into this thread...

 

Today is the first time I've seen us run a quick dump off to the RB in the middle of the field.  We did it with Gerhart on 3rd and I think 9 on our last drive of the second quarter.

 

I mention this because most teams run these types of plays alot.  I've watched almost every snap of this season and last under Fish.  It's the first time I remember this play being ran...  

 

Look, Fish is calling a good game overall so far.  There's no doubt that he could continue to get better at running an NFL offense.  And maybe he's getting the hang of that right now.  I'm not adverse to changing my mind on the guy.  But I want to see more consistency in his play calling.  The last 2 games have shown that he can be creative and aggressive.

 

I hope that he continues to build on what we've seen so far!

 

Go jags!

Quote:I wanted to drop this observation into this thread...

 

Today is the first time I've seen us run a quick dump off to the RB in the middle of the field.  We did it with Gerhart on 3rd and I think 9 on our last drive of the second quarter.

 

I mention this because most teams run these types of plays alot.  I've watched almost every snap of this season and last under Fish.  It's the first time I remember this play being ran...  

 

Look, Fish is calling a good game overall so far.  There's no doubt that he could continue to get better at running an NFL offense.  And maybe he's getting the hang of that right now.  I'm not adverse to changing my mind on the guy.  But I want to see more consistency in his play calling.  The last 2 games have shown that he can be creative and aggressive.

 

I hope that he continues to build on what we've seen so far!

 

Go jags!

More likely it's the players getting the hang of things now.

In defense of Fisch and the rest of the staff, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.  The team is too young, I am fine with everyone getting one more year.  

Quote:If the fans say change the coaches, they probably should. After all, the fans are the experts, right?

LOL - blame the fans for the poor performance on the field.  

 

Yep, trust the "experts" - they've proven that they can be successful.  

Quote:In defense of Fisch and the rest of the staff, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.  The team is too young, I am fine with everyone getting one more year.  

 

Using the same restaurant analogy, you can give a bad cook world class ingredients, and his final product will still taste mediocre at best. 

Quote:So spending another season with a bad familiar OC is better than taking the chance on finding a competent one?

i totally agree!!!!

Quote:Using the same restaurant analogy, you can give a bad cook world class ingredients, and his final product will still taste mediocre at best. 

Hello! Reality calling!

 

We don't have world class ingredients here so your analogy is meaningless.

Quote:Hello! Reality calling!

 

We don't have world class ingredients here so your analogy is meaningless.

 

The point was he could have world class players and still be and 8-8 coach at best.

Quote:More likely it's the players getting the hang of things now.

 

LOL, what?  So the middle of the field which we almost never attack, and which we never have attacked with a RB (from my recognition) is because the players are getting the hang of things now?  

 

You know how players get the hang of things?  Repetition and running the plays!  They don't run many plays up the middle, and hardly ever have an outlet receiver in the middle of the field.  

 

But OK...  

Quote:The point was he could have world class players and still be and 8-8 coach at best.

Based on what? There are no world class players on this roster right now to judge him by.

 

If you want to base it on reality, then you go back to how he coached world class players on Seattle's roster. He was pretty freaking good at doing it when he actually had some to work with.

Quote:Hello! Reality calling!

 

We don't have world class ingredients here so your analogy is meaningless.

 

Maybe not world class...  But Lee, Hurns, Lewis, and Shoelace all have talent that could be utilized better.

 

If you give a fry cook really good ingredients, he's still just gonna drop some potatoes and give you french fries...  

 

The talent on this team isn't as bad as the performance we see...  

 

 

BB5 still only makes 1 read...  1.  He's not going through any progressions...  He really doesn't look any better now than he did 2 and a half months ago.

 

I know, I know, it's his rookie year...  But he still hasn't put together a full game of good play.  Heck, today, he had 2 really good drives that benefited from a short field.

 

He's not getting better.  Coaches are paid to make players better.  Where's his improvement?