Quote:Defenses weren't bringing the house every other snap in the preseason and he wasn't being hammered every other play. That'll speed things up. He was on the injury list this week too with an ankle and swollen shoulder. I've seen a couple of rumors about him dealing with a shoulder issue since about week 7, can't confirm though. He's getting beat up.
All teams have to beat the blitz, before the blitz will stop. This requires the proper setup of hot-routes from the play itself or a checked play by the QB, a line that can be redirected to cover the blitzing defense, and a QB that can identify the likely blitz before the snap and take advantage of the hole it leaves by quickly releasing the pass. Until the other teams defensive coordinator sees that blitzing is costing them, they'll continue to "bring the house."
Quote:All teams have to beat the blitz, before the blitz will stop. This requires the proper setup of hot-routes from the play itself or a checked play by the QB, a line that can be redirected to cover the blitzing defense, and a QB that can identify the likely blitz before the snap and take advantage of the hole it leaves by quickly releasing the pass. Until the other teams defensive coordinator sees that blitzing is costing them, they'll continue to "bring the house."
Really?!? OMG I didn't know ANY of this!!!
Quote:Way to contribute big guy.
I'm trying to talk some football man what's wrong with that? I'm surrounded by Jets, Giants, and Eagles fans up here in the north and I want to talk Jaguar football!
You're good...I noticed lately that his wind up seems to be getting longer too. I think it's part of the reason for more batted balls. I believe the D Linemen are able to see the windup, react and get their hands up with just a little more time and able to bat down or impact the throws.
Quote:You're good...I noticed lately that his wind up seems to be getting longer too. I think it's part of the reason for more batted balls. I believe the D Linemen are able to see the windup, react and get their hands up with just a little more time and able to bat down or impact the throws.
Yeah and teams have been jumping all over that out route that we run about 10 times a game.
I hear Bortles yell "RAM" a few times a game, which means "right"... I'm sure the opponent knows it's coming also...
I see he still understands the whole look one way, hitch, look back the other way and throw. Mechanics will improve and even though he's not playing all that well, he is literally learning so many different nooks and crannies to defenses. Just gotta put it all together!
Quote:Yeah and teams have been jumping all over that out route that we run about 10 times a game.
I hear Bortles yell "RAM" a few times a game, which means "right"... I'm sure the opponent knows it's coming also...
I see he still understands the whole look one way, hitch, look back the other way and throw. Mechanics will improve and even though he's not playing all that well, he is literally learning so many different nooks and crannies to defenses. Just gotta put it all together!
I got a strong feeling that once our season is over, Blake, Fisch and Palmer will be working on his mechanics as much as possible.
I think at the start of training camp, you are going to see much improved mechanics and footwork. I also think he's the type of QB to fly out his top WR's to Orlando and have them workout with him.
Not worried about the mechanics. He's a rookie thrust into duty and trying to scrape out unlikely wins under constant pressure.
Normal for his mechanics to fluctuate under those conditions - especially since he was so raw coming out of UCF.
What he looks like next year around Halloween will be a much more accurate indicator of where he's headed with footwork, release etc.
Quote:I got a strong feeling that once our season is over, Blake, Fisch and Palmer will be working on his mechanics as much as possible.
I think at the start of training camp, you are going to see much improved mechanics and footwork. I also think he's the type of QB to fly out his top WR's to Orlando and have them workout with him.
No disagreement here but curious, have you or anyone read or heard anywhere that BB plans to work extra time on his own with WRs? We seem to hear this every year from the Mannings and Bradys of the NFL but not often from Jags QBs.
It's a big reason why they wanted him to red shirt his first year. It's very unfortunate that our team and Henne stunk it up those first few weeks.
You know what? This is a funny topic. I remember people mocking those of us who supported the idea of him sitting on the bench the majority if not the whole season to work on his mechanics. People had smart *** comments like "Oh, apparently you have to have perfect mechanics before you are able to step on the field." Uh yeah. Because if your mechanics are not on point you will regress period. I love how time reveals the truth.
I find it funny now that people bashing him for the exact reason we wanted him to sit on the bench the whole time lol.
People here are to hilarious. You don't learn on the field, you only gain experience and understand game time situations. You learn off the field and in the off-season. Mechanics don't get better when you are playing they either stay the same or regress. The muscle memory is through practice and lots of it. The problem with learning in season is because there is no more time to teach, it about playing games and getting ready for your opponents. The fact he is even surviving with this horrible line mechanics is a testament to me how good he really is and can be.
I am happy he is playing because he is gaining invaluable experience but I'm also okay with him taking this butt-whipping because of poor mechanics and poor line play. My hope is that next year with him improving and an improved team around him, he will make a big leap forward next year.
Quote:You know what? This is a funny topic. I remember people mocking those of us who supported the idea of him sitting on the bench the majority if not the whole season to work on his mechanics. People had smart *** comments like "Oh, apparently you have to have perfect mechanics before you are able to step on the field." Uh yeah. Because if your mechanics are not on point you will regress period. I love how time reveals the truth.
I find it funny now that people bashing him for the exact reason we wanted him to sit on the bench the whole time lol.
People here are to hilarious. You don't learn on the field, you only gain experience and understand game time situations. You learn off the field and in the off-season. Mechanics don't get better when you are playing they either stay the same or regress. The muscle memory is through practice and lots of it. The problem with learning in season is because there is no more time to teach, it about playing games and getting ready for your opponents. The fact he is even surviving with this horrible line mechanics is a testament to me how good he really is and can be.
I am happy he is playing because he is gaining invaluable experience but I'm also okay with him taking this butt-whipping because of poor mechanics and poor line play. My hope is that next year with him improving and an improved team around him, he will make a big leap forward next year.
The OP wasn't bashing BB regarding the topic. It's just discussion. Get over yourself.
Quote:The OP wasn't bashing BB regarding the topic. It's just discussion. Get over yourself.
So I'm assuming you are one of those posters who's sentiments rang in my post. Like I said it has nothing to do with what the OP said. Honestly this was no shot at him (that you are trying to imply I'm taking at him), I just feel like it is a funny topic because of my reasoning. I surely don't have any arrogance over this situation because I am never one who has a problem to admit I am wrong. I really don't care to be right either. I just enjoy revisiting history and seeing how it all plays out.
I find this discussion very interesting now seeing it was something that would be inevitable with some people.
Quote:So I'm assuming you are one of those posters who's sentiments rang in my post. Like I said it has nothing to do with what the OP said. Honestly this was no shot at him (that you are trying to imply I'm taking at him), I just feel like it is a funny topic because of my reasoning. I surely don't have any arrogance over this situation because I am never one who has a problem to admit I am wrong. I really don't care to be right either. I just enjoy revisiting history and seeing how it all plays out.
I find this discussion very interesting now seeing it was something that would be inevitable with some people.
You assume incorrectly...
I never had a hard opinion for or against BB one way or the other. One fact was certain and that was that Henne was not the future. So, I think there is benefit to BB playing this season.
I also have noticed more in recent games and predominantly Sunday that BB's mechanics have regressed. I noticed the somewhat longer windup and thought it may be reason for more batted balls. I understand this will be worked on in the off season but thought it's worthy discussion for a message board about the Jaguars.
Quote:You assume incorrectly...
I never had a hard opinion for or against BB one way or the other. One fact was certain and that was that Henne was not the future. So, I think there is benefit to BB playing this season.
I also have noticed more in recent games and predominantly Sunday that BB's mechanics have regressed. I noticed the somewhat longer windup and thought it may be reason for more batted balls. I understand this will be worked on in the off season but thought it's worthy discussion for a message board about the Jaguars.
Okay thank you for actually responding in reference to what I said football wise. I'm personally am happy with him staring now. Everyone knows that Henne was never the future. With that said once Blake started I had a understanding that this season would just get harder. He wasn't ready and although he is the future, he still has a long way to go. He is a raw rookie so his mechanics just aren't there yet. That's what raw means. I think the main reason for regression is the line play is just bad right now.
Getting sacked 7 times in a game is not helping his development and this was something I was afraid of regardless of what qb we drafted. He is asked to do so much and I think that is another reason for his mechanics regressing. He can't focus on himself because he has to make sure so many other guys are lined up right. There are so many rookies out there with him. He really doesn't have much help out there right now.
Quote:No disagreement here but curious, have you or anyone read or heard anywhere that BB plans to work extra time on his own with WRs? We seem to hear this every year from the Mannings and Bradys of the NFL but not often from Jags QBs.
Nah... Haven't heard anything but I got a feeling he wants to be like those guys and will work hard during the off season.
Quote:No disagreement here but curious, have you or anyone read or heard anywhere that BB plans to work extra time on his own with WRs? We seem to hear this every year from the Mannings and Bradys of the NFL but not often from Jags QBs.
He was working with Cecil back before he was even drafted by the Jags.
Bad and sometimes non-existent protection. Creates bad habits trying to make something happen, that's how I see it. I never got the sense that he's gun shy or "afraid".
Quote:Bad and sometimes non-existent protection. Creates bad habits trying to make something happen, that's how I see it. I never got the sense that he's gun shy or "afraid".
I wouldn't label him as afraid and maybe it was solely the O Line but in the first half he looked extremely Henne like.
Quote:I wouldn't label him as afraid and maybe it was solely the O Line but in the first half he looked extremely Henne like.
Only in the respect that he was playing behind a horrible O-line, held the ball a little too long when no one was open, and had on a Jaguars uniform.
Exactly how the vast majority of starting NFL QBs would have looked in that situation. But it's definitely
Henne that springs to mind, right?
Pfffft. Anyone but Brady, Peyton and Rodgers would have looked the same, and those guys would have just chucked it out of bounds a lot more often instead of scrambling or taking the sack.
How good did Eli look once the Jags defense turned up the heat (2 fumbles and 3 points)? He's been in the league how many years and has two rings. I don't care who you are when you're getting pressure like that (and Jags QBs get it all game every game) you're going to have a tough day.
Quote:How good did Eli look once the Jags defense turned up the heat (2 fumbles and 3 points)? He's been in the league how many years and has two rings. I don't care who you are when you're getting pressure like that (and Jags QBs get it all game every game) you're going to have a tough day.
Good point