Quote:When the line has given up 50 sacks, yeah, there's a problem.
if you ask the homers everything is fine here. no problems. just roll with the same players and hope for the best. when they fail, oh well, who cares, "stop whining"
Quote:Yes the line has issues. I'm sure they'll bring competition to camp next year. Probably an early-ish pick and a FA or two.
Linder is the only sure thing, but I bet Joeckel makes some positive progress before August 2015. Competition at LG,C and RT will likely be introduced. Possibly LT too.
Funny how the Fisch haters are now agreeing when someone says O-line is the problem. LOL. Been saying it for weeks.
Yeah because just now people have started noticing how bad the oline is.
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Hahaha. It really is offensive to watch them.
I'd love to sign a big, physical RT in the offseason (like a David Stewart circa 2008). Athleticism and finesse are okay, but sometimes you need to combine that with a pancake block to set the tone.
Quote:I'd love to sign a big, physical RT in the offseason (like a David Stewart circa 2008). Athleticism and finesse are okay, but sometimes you need to combine that with a pancake block to set the tone.
no no no we cant do that. Pasztor is a beast.
I think we need to add another two to three players to the mix. Not all immediate starters, but we need more competition.
Quote:I'd love to sign a big, physical RT in the offseason (like a David Stewart circa 2008). Athleticism and finesse are okay, but sometimes you need to combine that with a pancake block to set the tone.
Not many guys out there unless you want to overpay Doug Free.
Quote:Yeah because just now people have started noticing how bad the oline is.
My point is -- every time I would mention the line as the main root of the problem, twelve people would blame it all on Fisch.
And yes, four or five of them said the line "wasn't that bad" or was "fine" or "so-and-so has a worse line." etc. etc.
Regardless- I'm sure we'll see some competition and hopefully an upgrade at a spot or two in the offseason - and everyone seems to agree that that's the next step.
Quote:Wow, looks like you have it all figured out. Better get a note to Fisch right away.
I understand this was meant as pointless sarcasm, and I'm not sure what's got your panties in a bunch, but we saw the effect of formation on the ability of the o-line to block on the TD pass to Marquis Lee.
The offense was way spread out in an unusual formation and the Giants had to respect it, and on the pass all of our guys still in to block picked their man up and blocked them with no problem.
Part of the reason that the offensive linemen always look good in NE is because of Brady, but part of it is also the scheme that keeps defenses spread out and makes them declare their coverage. When the NE line gets whipped in pass protection it's because of losing the one on one match-ups, not because if messing up their scheme.
How would anyone feel about the following scenario?
Give Amari Cooper to Cleveland in the top 5 for one of their mid first round picks and Alex Mack. Draft La'el Collins to play RT, or left if he beats out Joeckel. Sign Mike Iupati to play RG and move Linder to LG.
LT - Joeckel, Wells
LG - Linder, Beadles
OC - Mack, Bowanko
RG - Iupati
RT - Collins, Pasztor
Quote:There is really one area that needs the most attention, and that is the O-LINE. No matter what they do this off season they better address this problem. Our offense SUCKS because our QB can't do anything because he is always running for his life and feels like he has to get rid the ball right away. This O LINE SUCKS and it needs fixing.
Just sayin
Three.
OL, LB, secondary
Quote:How would anyone feel about the following scenario?
Give Amari Cooper to Cleveland in the top 5 for one of their mid first round picks and Alex Mack. Draft La'el Collins to play RT, or left if he beats out Joeckel. Sign Mike Iupati to play RG and move Linder to LG.
LT - Joeckel, Wells
LG - Linder, Beadles
OC - Mack, Bowanko
RG - Iupati
RT - Collins, Pasztor
I agree that we need a couple of upgrades and that signing (quality) veterans has to be part of the plan. Do Cleveland want Amari Cooper though ?
Cleveland would never do that. I could possibly see them wanting our top 5 pick but not giving up a mid 1st rounder. The WR upgrade with Cooper does not justify the hit they'd take in the middle of the line with the loss of Mack. I think we can get a legit long term Center at the top of the 3rd round.
We neglected the Center position for so long because Gene couldn't see beyond the deteriorating Meester.
Quote:I agree that we need a couple of upgrades and that signing (quality) veterans has to be part of the plan. Do Cleveland want Amari Cooper though ?
It's all conjecture, especially at this point, but they've been linked to him. Cooper and Gordon are a very good duo and he provides insurance if Gordon gets suspended again.
Quote:Cleveland would never do that. I could possibly see them wanting our top 5 pick but not giving up a mid 1st rounder. The WR upgrade with Cooper does not justify the hit they'd take in the middle of the line with the loss of Mack. I think we can get a legit long term Center at the top of the 3rd round.
We neglected the Center position for so long because Gene couldn't see beyond the deteriorating Meester.
They've done fine without Mack so far this year. Although McDonald definitely is a step down from Mack, Mack is expensive and coming off a season ending injury. If anything, the Browns might have to give up more than the mid 1st and Mack to move into the top 5.
Quote:Cleveland would never do that. I could possibly see them wanting our top 5 pick but not giving up a mid 1st rounder. The WR upgrade with Cooper does not justify the hit they'd take in the middle of the line with the loss of Mack. I think we can get a legit long term Center at the top of the 3rd round.
We neglected the Center position for so long because Gene couldn't see beyond the deteriorating Meester.
No, you're now seeing just how much you and others had misjudged/underrated Meester, even the final years.
Can you now see that it was G that was the sore spot in the middle all along, now that hindsight affords you the softball?
Quote:No, you're now seeing just how much you and others had misjudged/underrated Meester, even the final years.
Can you now see that it was G that was the sore spot in the middle all along, now that hindsight affords you the softball?
I'm pretty sure all 3 interior line positions were the sore spot.
Quote:I'm pretty sure all 3 interior line positions were the sore spot.
Not until after Meester retired.
Quote:if you ask the homers everything is fine here. no problems. just roll with the same players and hope for the best. when they fail, oh well, who cares, "stop whining"
That's not true. There's been a quality foundation set. The same players could all very well be back at it next year. I'd say Bowanko and Linder are locks. Joekel will start barring something crazy happening in the offseason. Competition will be brought in to compete of course. Probably serious competition at LG and RT. The line will be bolstered. I don't know why you have to pretend like people who aren't bellyaching are just blind homers. Everyone knows the line needs to be better.