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Quote: read:  Jennings got hurt

 

Which is probably why he's not still on the Jaguars' roster.

Quote:Giants ran 35 times at 3.3 yards a pop. And it didn't differ much throughout the game. They were perceived as "running at will" on the Jags in the 1st half because they were converting 3rd downs. And there were a LOT of chances to get them off the field on 3rd downs in that half.

 

I think this D-Line is equal to the Stroud Henderson years. Not quite as good against the run, but a little better against the pass. Either way a top unit in the NFL.

The reason that average was as low as it was in the first half was the aberrational -11 yard run.

 

The first half rushing totals for the Giants with that 11 yard loss factored in was 22-75...a 3.4 ypc average.  Without that run, the totals go at least to 21 carries for 86 yards...a4.09 YPC average. 

 

Yes you could argue the opposite, that if you remove the 17 yard TD, the numbers are lower, but an 11 yard rushing loss is far more of an aberration than a 17 yard rush.

 

The fact is, the Giants had a 19 play, 9 minute drive scoring drive.  Thirteen (13) of those plays were runs.

 

That drive is not the hallmark of a dominant run defense. 

 

Jacksonville is currently 26th against the rush.

 

That ranking is not the hallmark of a dominant run defense.

 

This current Jaguars defense is not the equal to that JDR defense.

Quote:How do we know it's not Babich?  Just asking.

 

We don't.  We see the players playing and have a HC that built a Superbowl (and the best defense in the NFL that year) defense so he gets credit.

Quote:This defense still doesn't come close to the JDR/Might getcha defense with Stroud and Henderson, but one thing it does better than that team is rush the passer and force fumbles.

 

I'm still inclined to have a defense heavy draft though, with the caveat I am now open to taking a LT with the first pick.

 

I'd rather sign a veteran LT in FA and take the best defensive player available with our first pick, the Jaguars need a LT that has proven he can play at this level.

Quote:I'd rather sign a veteran LT in FA and take the best defensive player available with our first pick, the Jaguars need a LT that has proven he can play at this level.

What stud LTs will hit the open market?

Quote:What stud LTs will hit the open market?

 

Jared Veldheer hit the open market last year, albeit the Raiders should've franchised him.

Quote:I'd rather sign a veteran LT in FA and take the best defensive player available with our first pick, the Jaguars need a LT that has proven he can play at this level.

 

I'm not convinced that the Jaguars can't make the line work as a unit with Joeckel.

 

He's clearly not Boselli, but I think the things the line needs most are a good right tackle (Paztor was a turnstile) better coaching, and a QB that understands defense and blocking scheme better.

 

If Bortles makes the jump in year two and can start to recognize things in front of him enough to direct the blocking scheme properly then the line will look much better. Getting a good right tackle would be icing on that cake.

Quote:Jared Veldheer hit the open market last year, albeit the Raiders should've franchised him.

Agreed..but I think that's the exception, not the rule.

 

I don't think you can count on a stud LT hitting the open FA market.

Quote:Agreed..but I think that's the exception, not the rule.

 

I don't think you can count on a stud LT hitting the open FA market.

 

I understand completely, that's why it's important to pounce when those guys are available, it doesn't happen much. Either way, I'm not writing LJ off yet, he's a young athletic tackle that needs to spend the entire offseason in the weight room; he's not strong enough to handle the bull rush which subsequently puts him in a bad spot against speed rushers, he tries to overcompensate for the bull and gets beat (often) with speed. I think his upside is of the Jared Veldheer variety, a very good left tackle but not elite like Tyron Smith, Jason Peters, Joe Thomas, Trent Williams etc..

Quote:I'm not convinced that the Jaguars can't make the line work as a unit with Joeckel.

 

He's clearly not Boselli, but I think the things the line needs most are a good right tackle (Paztor was a turnstile) better coaching, and a QB that understands defense and blocking scheme better.

 

If Bortles makes the jump in year two and can start to recognize things in front of him enough to direct the blocking scheme properly then the line will look much better. Getting a good right tackle would be icing on that cake.

 

I agree with the above.

It's really hard to remember the D-Line ever playing as good as they are right now.. I know Hender/Stroud was a force to reckon with, but even then.. 

Quote:It's really hard to remember the D-Line ever playing as good as they are right now.. I know Hender/Stroud was a force to reckon with, but even then.. 

 

Sen'Derrick Marks is the best 3 technique DT the Jaguars have ever had, the guy is truly dominant. I like Roy Miller, but I'd love to see an animal like Nick Fairley paired with SM; the Jaguars have the potential to have a truly dominant defense thanks to an incredible cap management and draft position.

Quote:Sen'Derrick Marks is the best 3 technique DT the Jaguars have ever had, the guy is truly dominant. I like Roy Miller, but I'd love to see an animal like Nick Fairley paired with SM; the Jaguars have the potential to have a truly dominant defense thanks to an incredible cap management and draft position.

 

Agree.. SDM needs to retire a Jag.. But years and years from now.. 

Quote:This defense still doesn't come close to the JDR/Might getcha defense with Stroud and Henderson, but one thing it does better than that team is rush the passer and force fumbles.

 

I'm still inclined to have a defense heavy draft though, with the caveat I am now open to taking a LT with the first pick.

 

All due respect to those teams and this one, I give the nod to 99' Jaguars under Capers.

 

TBrack/Payne/GFunk/Wynn/Smeenge

 

You have a legit pass rush terror in TBrack, strong inside with Payne/Funk, and solid LE. When you factor in the LB group behind it, that team was solid against the run and used blitz very well to get pressure.

 

People forget that team had 57 sacks, and that was before the NFL got as pass happy as it has recently.

There really aren't a whole lot of LTs set to hit the market next year that are under the age of 30.

I think if anything you have some young guys in Young, Wells, and Joeckel and Paz, maybe you sign a vet to push the younger guys but I doubt we find a franchise LT in free agency.

 

And Joeckel hasn't played long enough to replace him.

I imagine our Oline will be much of the same players expecting the young guys to develop some.

 

I imagine our draft will consist of Dline, DB, and LB. The only offensive positions I expect to be addressed via draft are TE and mid round RB.

We'll probably try to sign a free agent "impact player"

DE, S, or WR

(I know our young WRs have shown promise, but I think Shorts is gone, Blackmon is a question mark, Arob and Lee aren't superstars in any right yet the rest of our guys, just guys.)

Quote:All due respect to those teams and this one, I give the nod to 99' Jaguars under Capers.

 

TBrack/Payne/GFunk/Wynn/Smeenge

 

You have a legit pass rush terror in TBrack, strong inside with Payne/Funk, and solid LE. When you factor in the LB group behind it, that team was solid against the run and used blitz very well to get pressure.

 

People forget that team had 57 sacks, and that was before the NFL got as pass happy as it has recently.

the tacks!!!!! DARG!!!

Quote:(I know our young WRs have shown promise, but I think Shorts is gone, Blackmon is a question mark, Arob and Lee aren't superstars in any right yet the rest of our guys, just guys.)

 

You're not the only one.  I think WR is our biggest need after DE, SS and OL.  Robinson was hurt for all training camp and preseason and just ended his first year on IR.  Hurns has been inconsistent.  Shorts may not be back next season. Lee hasn't done much but may get better.  Blackmon may or may not be here, but even if he is he's been out of the league a while and will need to learn the offense.  So, yes, I'd expect WR to be kind of high on the list.

Quote:There really aren't a whole lot of LTs set to hit the market next year that are under the age of 30.

I think if anything you have some young guys in Young, Wells, and Joeckel and Paz, maybe you sign a vet to push the younger guys but I doubt we find a franchise LT in free agency.

 

And Joeckel hasn't played long enough to replace him.

I imagine our Oline will be much of the same players expecting the young guys to develop some.

 

I imagine our draft will consist of Dline, DB, and LB. The only offensive positions I expect to be addressed via draft are TE and mid round RB.

We'll probably try to sign a free agent "impact player"

DE, S, or WR

(I know our young WRs have shown promise, but I think Shorts is gone, Blackmon is a question mark, Arob and Lee aren't superstars in any right yet the rest of our guys, just guys.)

 

Almost tempted to sign Roos to play RT and let him push Pasztor or whoever we draft in the later rounds.

Quote:This defense still doesn't come close to the JDR/Might getcha defense with Stroud and Henderson, but one thing it does better than that team is rush the passer and force fumbles.

 

I'm still inclined to have a defense heavy draft though, with the caveat I am now open to taking a LT with the first pick.

Given how much better our present defense is performing than our offense, why would you still want to go defense heavy in the draft?

Quote:Marks with another 2 sacks and is now tied for team lead with 7. Telvin Smith led our team in tackles for a second straight week. Gus is a savant on defense

 

In fairness, Telvin got ragdolled on a few blocks when the Giants running game was going in the first half, but those runs were up the middle.  He probably does better defending against sweeps or runs to his side.  Sunday was the first time that I keyed on him for pretty much the entire first half because he has been getting a lot of praise lately.  He's either not designed to defend against a power running game or he needs to put on some weight this off season and hopefully not lose much in the way of quickness.  His strengths are better suited to coverage right now, IMO.  I'd rather not see him on the field for 1st or 2nd downs against a power running game like the Giants were executing perfectly in the first half.