Quote:You're still talking about a guy who had to completely re-work his mechanics over the course of one off season after playing with those lousy mechanics for his entire football career. Sorry, but it takes more than a few months to un-do, then develop the kind of muscle memory that takes learning new mechanics from the practice field to instinctual when the games count. He wasn't ready regardless of how good he looked against vanilla defenses in the preseason.
He still has terrible mechanics even on basic throws, so I am not seeing anything transfer from the practice field to Sunday at this point. Once again.... could it be coaching?
Quote:He still has terrible mechanics even on basic throws, so I am not seeing anything transfer from the practice field to Sunday at this point. Once again.... could it be coaching?
It's not coaching. Bortles needs to want to be the best, and his recent lapse of mechanics indicates to me that he probably doesn't care enough.
I know not everyone can live football the way Peyton does, but really that's what I want in a QB.
Someone asks him what he wants for dinner on Monday evening and he doesn't respond because he's still going through the last game in his mind and can't be bothered with such questions.
Quote:It's not coaching. Bortles needs to want to be the best, and his recent lapse of mechanics indicates to me that he probably doesn't care enough.
I know not everyone can live football the way Peyton does, but really that's what I want in a QB.
Someone asks him what he wants for dinner on Monday evening and he doesn't respond because he's still going through the last game in his mind and can't be bothered with such questions.
Our coaching staff neutered BB motivation when they told him they will call plays that he cannot audible out of.
translation: you will be our puppet, we do not trust you, do what we say and nothing else
How would you react?
Quote:Our coaching staff neutered BB motivation when they told him they will call plays that he cannot audible out of.
translation: you will be our puppet, we do not trust you, do what we say and nothing else
How would you react?
If football was what I hungered for I'd keep concentrating on that and waiting for these guys to get fired so I can finally soar.
Quote:It's crazy we could've sat the kid IF we hadn't been betting on Henne to hold the fort. That's what causes me to question all faith in this new regime. They expected Henne to hold the fort?
I'm not sure what you mean by "hold the fort."
They expected Henne to fill the starting role up to the point when Bortles was ready to go. They weren't expecting Henne to be some sort of dominant starter who was going to hold off Bortles once he was ready. Even Henne understood his role. He was nothing more than a seat warmer who happened to know the playbook.
It was pretty clear from the start this year that the eyes of this franchise were focused on making the next significant jump in 2015.
2013 was about blowing it up and beginning the rebuilding process through the draft. They didn't blow a ton of cap on free agents because they wanted to build as much of the foundation of this team as they could through the draft. Still, they identified a couple of solid free agents who have proven themselves, one of them now a cornerstone player on the defense in Marks.
2014 was focused on continuing to build through the draft. Free agency was again used as a tool to find young players who were on the rise, sign them to reasonable deals, and then let them prove whether they were capable of being a part of the foundation for the future. The exceptions were signing Bryant and Clemons. They were brought in to bring veteran leadership and a firm understanding of the defense Gus wanted to run here.
2015 is going to be a big year for this team. They'll have a good draft picks in every round of the draft, and they're going to have one of the biggest war chests to spend in free agency (and they will have to spend it). I fully expect to see this team make significant improvements next year. In the meantime, the number of young players getting quality experience this season will be well along in proving their value (or not) to this team. In the end, I thing the foundation of this team will be in a much better place at the end of this year than it was a year ago, and I think a year from now, we'll see that proving itself on the field. If not, we're back to the drawing board, and I don't think most here want to start over again.
I do agree that blitz pickup and proper blocking assignments are the elephant in the room. This is by far the biggest contributing factor as to why our offense is struggling. Our linemen struggle enough as it is with 1 on 1 blocking, compounded by there always being a defender with a free run.
I could see if his mechanics were improving, but was still making awful throws, but this is different.
I equate it to a golf swing change. Easier to do on the range, but taking it to the course, you have to be willing to get worse before you get better.
Quote:I could see if his mechanics were improving, but was still making awful throws, but this is different.
I equate it to a golf swing change. Easier to do on the range, but taking it to the course, you have to be willing to get worse before you get better.
Well he has the "getting worse" part down".
Quote:Caldwell is just as fault for making this team so young. This sucks to watch this team play
this was the biggest mistake made, because of the cba the rookies can't practice enough to get up to speed with the nfl. Thats why teams don't build with rookies god bless khan for taking over the jags but if he or dave had experience they would have known this wasn't going to work. Just my opinion.
Quote:Chad Henne gave them no choice. They were in serious danger of doing long term damage to the fan base. They hung themselves with that one. Henne was just so bad, he forced their hand.
Basically, If Bortles career doesn't pan out, it is essentially Chad Henne's fault.
i am so sick and tired of reading this statement all the time. At one time chad was a gun slinger, then had to regess to this stupid offensive scheme, but everyone piles on him. Now blake was or is a gun slinger and now he stinks because of this scheme. I can't believe that if I state these things like i have in the past , i get called a troll!!!! JMO....
Quote:I do agree that blitz pickup and proper blocking assignments are the elephant in the room. This is by far the biggest contributing factor as to why our offense is struggling. Our linemen struggle enough as it is with 1 on 1 blocking, compounded by there always being a defender with a free run.
I agree with this. Bortles' dumb mistakes are a solid second place at this stage, but the lack of execution from the o-line is largely to blame. Nothing has a chance to work when they don't get it done up front. The run-blocking the past two games has regressed back to near the dismal level it held early in the season. The pass pro has never been good, save a handful of plays here and there in weeks 6-9. Most of Bortles "longish" passes have come when he was scrambling for his life.
There's a reason they say "it all starts up front." Brewster falling off of a cliff, Pasztor breaking his hand, Joeckel not coming back strong from injury and taking the necessary step forward, Beadles playing well beneath his salary, and two rookies who occasionally play exactly that way. They've got to find a way to execute like they were beginning to sporadically perform a few weeks back.
Quote:You're joking right?
I'm guessing he means that Henne threw a lot of INTs, because that's the only gunslinger part of Henne I can think of.
Quote:You're joking right?
Ok so ppl on this board love jeff lageman right? He had said in the past that Chad would throw the ball all over the yard and yes he called him a gun slinger!!! You might not like it, but it was said, man ppl have short memories.Look I am not going to defend anyone, the point was Fisch sucks!!!!!
Quote:Is Joeckel not playing as well as Bradfield? We cut Bradfield.
I'm pretty sure Beadles is playing better than what we had at LG last year.
Is Bowanko worse than Meester? Just about everyone on this board wanted Meester replaced years before he retired.
Linder is one of the top OL according to PFF. Was Nwaneri better?
Pasztor isn't playing as well as he did last year. The injury has healed. So why has he regressed? Coaching?
Two of Bortles sacks came on SS blitzes. That's not on the OL, it's on coaching, especially if Bortles isn't allowed to check out at the line.
Bradfield was a RT backup
Beadles is below average and no where close to worth his contract
Yes Bowanko is worse than Meester although he is showing promise for a rookie
Linder had some bad plays yesterday for sure but is playing very well
Pasztor stinks
Quote:Is Joeckel not playing as well as Bradfield? We cut Bradfield.
I'm pretty sure Beadles is playing better than what we had at LG last year.
Is Bowanko worse than Meester? Just about everyone on this board wanted Meester replaced years before he retired.
Linder is one of the top OL according to PFF. Was Nwaneri better?
Pasztor isn't playing as well as he did last year. The injury has healed. So why has he regressed? Coaching?
Two of Bortles sacks came on SS blitzes. That's not on the OL, it's on coaching, especially if Bortles isn't allowed to check out at the line.
Bradfield's play at RT was much worse than Joeckle's is currently at LT.
However, Bradfield had a decent showing at LT last season for 5 or 6 games. Decent. Not good. So - one could make a flimsy case for keeping him, but I think his abysmal play at RT
this year made that a tough call.
Quote:He still has terrible mechanics even on basic throws, so I am not seeing anything transfer from the practice field to Sunday at this point. Once again.... could it be coaching?
They're not working on his mechanics during the regular practices. Once he assumed the starting role, his entire focus shifted from developing and improving to the game plan for each week. That was the point many here were trying to stress in saying he should be allowed to develop at his own pace and not rushed into starting.
Quote:Our coaching staff neutered BB motivation when they told him they will call plays that he cannot audible out of.
translation: you will be our puppet, we do not trust you, do what we say and nothing else
How would you react?
Can you show one bit of evidence backing up the fact that he's not allowed to audible? Because I can show you tons that says you're wrong about that. Just watch any game. He's checking out of plays plenty of times during a game.
Quote:They're not working on his mechanics during the regular practices. Once he assumed the starting role, his entire focus shifted from developing and improving to the game plan for each week. That was the point many here were trying to stress in saying he should be allowed to develop at his own pace and not rushed into starting.
Can you show one bit of evidence backing up the fact that he's not allowed to audible? Because I can show you tons that says you're wrong about that. Just watch any game. He's checking out of plays plenty of times during a game.
So, the fact that the coaches said it doesn't count? And then the play calling and execution looking even more and more handcuffed doesn't seem to support?
Quote:i am so sick and tired of reading this statement all the time. At one time chad was a gun slinger, then had to regess to this stupid offensive scheme, but everyone piles on him. Now blake was or is a gun slinger and now he stinks because of this scheme. I can't believe that if I state these things like i have in the past , i get called a troll!!!! JMO....
I am not kidding. I literally just spit out my coffee when you just called Chad Henne a gun slinger.
Kudos to you.