Quote:We're not drafting Cooper. We have way more important needs than another 1st round receiver.
Quote:We got 2 of the best WRs in college football in the past draft. Maybe we should give them a shot before drafting another in the 1st round
Guys bomb every year. Rookies flame out all the time. Lee could very well be a bust. Robinson could never be consistently healthy for a season. Hurns may never be consistent with his hands. We may never see Blackmon in a Jags jersey again. So you're telling me that you would be comfortable with Robinson Hurns, and Lee as your top 3 WR's next season? There are a lot of people who think Shorts won't be here next year either. From what I'm seeing, WR actually does look like a need that could very well be addressed in the first round. You're just being short sighted.
Personally I think they end up going DE if they stay at the top of the first round. But at this point, I won't even begin to think that I know who we should or shouldn't draft. The Bortles pick shocked me enough, and I wouldn't be upset at all if they spent their 1st round pick on a new piece for Bortles to play with.
Quote:So you're telling me that you would be comfortable with Robinson Hurns, and Lee as your top 3 WR's next season? There are a lot of people who think Shorts won't be here next year either. From what I'm seeing, WR actually does look like a need that could very well be addressed in the first round. You're just being short sighted.
Speaking solely for myself… Yes.
That would likely turn out to be a better receiving corps than we've had in over 10 years. Just my opinion. Robinson may not fit the mold of this "true #1" everyone covets, but neither are half of the #1 receivers around the league - and I think he'll be good for 1200 yards in his second year if Bortles tightens it up a bit.
Having D. Copeland on the PS is also an asset worthy of consideration IMO. I think he could be very dynamic in the slot. Ace and Doss as depth or for empty backfield sets are just fine. I think the chances of Lee being a bust are very, very slim. He's just not acclimating as quick as some do, but the athletic ability is apparent.
I'll be shocked if they go WR before the fourth round. The only way I see a receiver early in the 2015 draft for the Jags is if they really go bananas in FA.
Of course - anything is possible - and it would be tough to complain about adding a receiver of Cooper's potential.
Quote:Speaking solely for myself… Yes.
That would likely turn out to be a better receiving corps than we've had in over 10 years. Just my opinion. Robinson may not fit the mold of this "true #1" everyone covets, but neither are half of the #1 receivers around the league - and I think he'll be good for 1200 yards in his second year if Bortles tightens it up a bit.
Having D. Copeland on the PS is also an asset worthy of consideration IMO. I think he could be very dynamic in the slot. Ace and Doss as depth or for empty backfield sets are just fine. I think the chances of Lee being a bust are very, very slim. He's just not acclimating as quick as some do, but the athletic ability is apparent.
I'll be shocked if they go WR before the fourth round. The only way I see a receiver early in the 2015 draft for the Jags is if they really go bananas in FA.
Of course - anything is possible - and it would be tough to complain about adding a receiver of Cooper's potential.
If Robinson stays healthy 1200 yards is floor territory for him.
In 8 starts and with no training camp he had 548 yards.
He clearly was doing it almost exclusively on talent alone this season and Bortles clearly trusted him more than any of his other receivers to actually make the catch.
If Robinson has a healthy season and Bortles continues to mature he should be the go-to guy when the Bortles must have a catch and put up really good numbers.
I want to see Bortles develop a 3rd down relationship with "one" receiver over the next 6 games, just "one", that he can consistently throw to and get 1st downs on 3rd and long.
Quote:Guys bomb every year. Rookies flame out all the time. Lee could very well be a bust. Robinson could never be consistently healthy for a season. Hurns may never be consistent with his hands. We may never see Blackmon in a Jags jersey again. So you're telling me that you would be comfortable with Robinson Hurns, and Lee as your top 3 WR's next season? There are a lot of people who think Shorts won't be here next year either. From what I'm seeing, WR actually does look like a need that could very well be addressed in the first round. You're just being short sighted.
Personally I think they end up going DE if they stay at the top of the first round. But at this point, I won't even begin to think that I know who we should or shouldn't draft. The Bortles pick shocked me enough, and I wouldn't be upset at all if they spent their 1st round pick on a new piece for Bortles to play with.
I don't see how I'm being short sighted in wanting to give rookie WRs a chance to develop before drafting another one with a likely top 10 pick.
Quote:If Robinson stays healthy 1200 yards is floor territory for him.
In 8 starts and with no training camp he had 548 yards.
He clearly was doing it almost exclusively on talent alone this season and Bortles clearly trusted him more than any of his other receivers to actually make the catch.
If Robinson has a healthy season and Bortles continues to mature he should be the go-to guy when the Bortles must have a catch and put up really good numbers.
Come on..... I like Robinson as much as anyone, but 1,200 yards as a
floor? Robinson's
floor isn't a top 15 WR. Do you know what floor means?
Quote:Come on..... I like Robinson as much as anyone, but 1,200 yards as a floor? Robinson's floor isn't a top 15 WR. Do you know what floor means?
What part of 550 yards in 8 starts and out for all of training camp and very little field time in the first two games are you not understanding?
He's got great hands and doesn't even get good separation yet. He's going to be seriously productive, and if he improves his route running and the rest of the Jaguars continue to improve (mostly Bortles) Robinson will get a lot of catches and yards.
Quote:What part of 550 yards in 8 starts and out for all of training camp and very little field time in the first two games are you not understanding?
He's got great hands and doesn't even get good separation yet. He's going to be seriously productive, and if he improves his route running and the rest of the Jaguars continue to improve (mostly Bortles) Robinson will get a lot of catches and yards.
Like I said, I'm a huge Robinson fan. I'm well aware of what he's done this year. You are saying his
floor is 1,200 yards. Floor is suppose to represent worst case scenario production.
1,200 yards is top 15 WR in the entire league territory. You are saying that, worst case scenario, he is a top 15 WR. That is drinking some serious koolaid.
Heck, in 2012, only ten WRs had 1,200+ yards. Julio Jones played 16 games and finished with 1,198. You are saying that Allen Robinson's FLOOR is 1,200 yards. :mellow:
Quote:Like I said, I'm a huge Robinson fan. I'm well aware of what he's done this year. You are saying his floor is 1,200 yards. Floor is suppose to represent worst case scenario production.
1,200 yards is top 15 WR in the entire league territory. You are saying that, worst case scenario, he is a top 15 WR. That is drinking some serious koolaid.
I'm drinking the kool-aid.
Like I said, it hinges on him being healthy, and I'm talking "territory" not "absolute mathematical bottom figure," but my sentiment should be obvious to anyone who has been watching the Jaguars play. The guy has great natural physical ability, and would have blown Blackmon's rookie season away had he been healthy for the last six games where the competition level comes down a bit from where it was in the first 10 games.
Again, I don't think that Robinson has a Floor of a top 15 WR.
I think he has a very realistic shot at being a top 15 WR, but that's not floor is saying. You are saying that, worst case scenario, he is a top 15 WR. I'd say something like this is much more realistic. Floor - 900 yards. Realistic - 1200 yards. Ceiling - 1500 yards.
Quote:Again, I don't think that Robinson has a Floor of a top 15 WR.
I think he has a very realistic shot at being a top 15 WR, but that's not floor is saying. You are saying that, worst case scenario, he is a top 15 WR. I'd say something like this is much more realistic. Floor - 900 yards. Realistic - 1200 yards. Ceiling - 1500 yards.
He's experiencing the worst case scenario RIGHT NOW.
Rookie who missed training camp? Check.
Rookie laden team around him limiting his opportunities? Check.
Rookie QB that should improve over successive seasons? Check.
If he has a full healthy season I expect him to easily break 1000 yards, and I realistically expect he'll eclipse 1200 yards.
Quote:He's experiencing the worst case scenario RIGHT NOW.
Rookie who missed training camp? Check.
Rookie laden team around him limiting his opportunities? Check.
Rookie QB that should improve over successive seasons? Check.
If he has a full healthy season I expect him to easily break 1000 yards, and I realistically expect he'll eclipse 1200 yards.
That's fine. I don't disagree (see: my post). I am just objective enough to realize that between 900-1,100 yards is quite possible, so 1,200 isn't what I consider a
floor. That is setting the bar too high.
Quote:I don't see how I'm being short sighted in wanting to give rookie WRs a chance to develop before drafting another one with a likely top 10 pick.
My point is you shouldn't base "draft needs" on the hope that a guy (Lee) develops. You're statistically guaranteed to have draft picks flame out in every draft class. Having JJ Watt didn't stop the Texans from taking Clowney. Having arguably a top 5 receiver core didn't stop Green Bay from drafting Devante Adams. This is where the conversation of need vs talent comes into play in your draft philosophy. And honestly with all the injuries we dealt with at WR this year, I think it was pretty apparent that WR continues to be a need for this team.
It's probably not as big of a need as SS, LB, or DE. But it's big enough for them to take a guy high if they don't like their other options at their spot. Honestly I don't really care where they go with their picks. There are needs all over the team so I don't really think they can go wrong with any position.