11-10-2014, 09:59 PM
11-11-2014, 08:22 AM
Quote:We lost the game at that point in the game. We were shutting down the cowboys until that costly fumble .
The worst momentum shift since the '99 AFC Championship game.
11-11-2014, 08:46 AM
I love how people act like there's been no improvement at all. Before last week we've had a Top 3 defense for 5 weeks. We have a rookie Quarterback with 7 other rookies out there on offense. You people have no common sense.
There is nobody to blame but the prior regime who left absolutely no depth/impact players at all. Caldwell and Bradley have said it over and over, this is a race to maturity. It's a 3-4 year plan and it's incorrect to grade it after 1.5 years.
Complain all you want but firing these coaches would be the wrong move. The last thing 38/50 players on a team need, (38 are rookies and 1st year players), is a coaching change.
Seattle wasn't winning a year into their rebuild, either. So relax.
There is nobody to blame but the prior regime who left absolutely no depth/impact players at all. Caldwell and Bradley have said it over and over, this is a race to maturity. It's a 3-4 year plan and it's incorrect to grade it after 1.5 years.
Complain all you want but firing these coaches would be the wrong move. The last thing 38/50 players on a team need, (38 are rookies and 1st year players), is a coaching change.
Seattle wasn't winning a year into their rebuild, either. So relax.
11-11-2014, 08:47 AM
Greg Jones around for another year or two would have been nice.
11-11-2014, 09:35 AM
7-9 and 7-9 in both of Pete Carrols first 2 seasons.
11-11-2014, 09:45 AM
Quote:7-9 and 7-9 in both of Pete Carrols first 2 seasons.And a playoff berth in the second one.
11-12-2014, 01:10 PM
Khan for hiring that clown, Bradley and Caldwell for cutting every single veteran we had on this team.
11-12-2014, 01:23 PM
It is Bradley's fault by a mile. It is his responsibility to win. He failed. In any other world he would have already been fired.
11-12-2014, 01:23 PM
I'm not quite sure why it has to be one person who is to blame, but I understand why the OP is looking for a singular target. It requires less thought. He wants to call anyone who looks at the entire picture and recognizes all of the issues this team has faced over the past couple of season "excuse makers" because that's easier than actually recognizing the facts of why this team is where it is currently. We must blame Bradley, or Caldwell, or Khan, or some position coach. There has to be ONE person to blame because that's what simpletons need.
It couldn't possibly be the fact that the team is the youngest in the league, or that there are key injuries that are piling up that are starting to have an impact. It couldn't be the fact that we're starting a rookie QB who is going through the expected growing pains of the average rookie QB, or that we've got an offensive line that has been completely overhauled and was still being tweaked a month into the season before we finally got the configuration we wanted, only to see that pulled apart by injuries.
It couldn't possibly be the fact that the defense, which most expected to be a strength for this team, has seen injuries to some key players. They still managed to improve overall, but I think the number of injuries, and the areas where those injuries have occurred is starting to play a factor, but we should just ignore that because clearly one person is to blame for this, right?
When you use the approach of building through the draft, you're going to have struggles early on as the young players adjust to the NFL. We purged the roster in 2013, and we've used the draft to identify many starters over the past 2 seasons. Free agency has been used sparingly, by design, in order to allow the young players they've identified as the foundation for the future to develop, knowing that this would bring about the expected struggles in the first couple of seasons as they gained experience and adapted to the pro game.
Next year they've made it clear they will be active in free agency as they have now identified their core players, and they will continue to build through the draft. Free agency will hopefully bring them impact players at key positions where the team has clear needs.
This is a young team that has been completely gutted and is being built from the ground up. I know for people like the OP, this is a concept they've struggled to understand since it began. If/when the team turns the corner next year and becomes more competitive, and pushes to be a playoff contender, it will still not be good enough for this bunch, and they'll simply find new things to whine about because that's just what they do. In the meantime, the one word they hate more than any continues to be the mantra: patience.
There isn't one singular person who is to blame. This is the process. It will get better.
It couldn't possibly be the fact that the team is the youngest in the league, or that there are key injuries that are piling up that are starting to have an impact. It couldn't be the fact that we're starting a rookie QB who is going through the expected growing pains of the average rookie QB, or that we've got an offensive line that has been completely overhauled and was still being tweaked a month into the season before we finally got the configuration we wanted, only to see that pulled apart by injuries.
It couldn't possibly be the fact that the defense, which most expected to be a strength for this team, has seen injuries to some key players. They still managed to improve overall, but I think the number of injuries, and the areas where those injuries have occurred is starting to play a factor, but we should just ignore that because clearly one person is to blame for this, right?
When you use the approach of building through the draft, you're going to have struggles early on as the young players adjust to the NFL. We purged the roster in 2013, and we've used the draft to identify many starters over the past 2 seasons. Free agency has been used sparingly, by design, in order to allow the young players they've identified as the foundation for the future to develop, knowing that this would bring about the expected struggles in the first couple of seasons as they gained experience and adapted to the pro game.
Next year they've made it clear they will be active in free agency as they have now identified their core players, and they will continue to build through the draft. Free agency will hopefully bring them impact players at key positions where the team has clear needs.
This is a young team that has been completely gutted and is being built from the ground up. I know for people like the OP, this is a concept they've struggled to understand since it began. If/when the team turns the corner next year and becomes more competitive, and pushes to be a playoff contender, it will still not be good enough for this bunch, and they'll simply find new things to whine about because that's just what they do. In the meantime, the one word they hate more than any continues to be the mantra: patience.
There isn't one singular person who is to blame. This is the process. It will get better.
11-12-2014, 01:27 PM
Quote:I love how people act like there's been no improvement at all. Before last week we've had a Top 3 defense for 5 weeks. We have a rookie Quarterback with 7 other rookies out there on offense. You people have no common sense.
There is nobody to blame but the prior regime who left absolutely no depth/impact players at all. Caldwell and Bradley have said it over and over, this is a race to maturity. It's a 3-4 year plan and it's incorrect to grade it after 1.5 years.
Complain all you want but firing these coaches would be the wrong move. The last thing 38/50 players on a team need, (38 are rookies and 1st year players), is a coaching change.
Seattle wasn't winning a year into their rebuild, either. So relax.
Quote:7-9 and 7-9 in both of Pete Carrols first 2 seasons.
Quote:And a playoff berth in the second one.
Exactly...
Carroll took over a 5-11 team. He then had them winning 2 more games within his first year. And in the playoff hunt and playoffs his second year, albeit at 7-9.
Either way, for the person to reference Pete Carrol and then also call other posters out for not knowing anything seems a bit... delusional... at the least...
11-12-2014, 01:32 PM
@ FBT,
I respect your response. And I understand your point. This is indeed a process. And looking for "blame" I think may be the wrong verbage that the OP used.
But for the sake of Jaguars talk, it's important to realize that within the process there are points in which the organization should be growing and learning from.
Yes, there is youth and inexperience. Yes there have been injuries and set backs. I think most of the posters that have issue with where we are right now have conceded these points as part of the reason we are in the state we find ourselves in.
But I stress that inexperience and injuries are only PART of the issue. There are other issues at play as well. I think we're all just talking about what we think are some of the other issues. Because, as you said, it's not just 1 thing that we can put our finger on and say, "this is why we're 1 and 9".
I respect your response. And I understand your point. This is indeed a process. And looking for "blame" I think may be the wrong verbage that the OP used.
But for the sake of Jaguars talk, it's important to realize that within the process there are points in which the organization should be growing and learning from.
Yes, there is youth and inexperience. Yes there have been injuries and set backs. I think most of the posters that have issue with where we are right now have conceded these points as part of the reason we are in the state we find ourselves in.
But I stress that inexperience and injuries are only PART of the issue. There are other issues at play as well. I think we're all just talking about what we think are some of the other issues. Because, as you said, it's not just 1 thing that we can put our finger on and say, "this is why we're 1 and 9".
11-12-2014, 01:40 PM
Quote:The excuse makers on the board don't blame Caldwell or the coaching staff. The excuse makers don't blame the players. Note that many of these same excuse makers were behind Gene Smith and good old Jack. Who is to blame?
This team is 1-9 in it's second year of a rebuild while spanked over half of those games. Again we got embarrassed on the world stage. There is little evidence of this team improving. We might have a player here and there playing better but overall the product still reeks. We will always have those fans with blind faith but there has to be blame somewhere. So who is to blame? You can't blame previous regimes because pretty much all of their players are gone and it's all new regime players.
Who is to blame? Gene Smith, if you look at his drafts one can make the argument he's the worst GM in the history of the NFL. Missing on multiple high first round picks is inexcusable; it takes years for an organization to overcome that kind of incompetence.
11-12-2014, 01:42 PM
Quote:Greg Jones around for another year or two would have been nice.
You can't be serious.
11-12-2014, 01:43 PM
Quote:Khan for hiring that clown, Bradley and Caldwell for cutting every single veteran we had on this team.
None of those veterans would've made an impact for the Jaguars in the win/loss column.
11-12-2014, 01:47 PM
Quote:The roster Gene left was literally one of the worst of all time. Not even a single difference maker.
It's not that difficult to understand, what was done to the Jaguars roster by the former regime was criminal. To expect David Caldwell and Gus Bradley to completely turn it around in 2-3 years is unrealistic. Imo, it will take 4-5 years of competent drafts and FA classes to turn this thing around. It stinks, but that's the reality of this situation.
11-12-2014, 01:48 PM
the rain??
11-12-2014, 01:50 PM
Quote:the rain??
![[Image: Keep_on_running.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Keep_on_running.jpg)
11-12-2014, 02:06 PM
Quote:Khan for hiring that clown, Bradley and Caldwell for cutting every single veteran we had on this team.
Yeah, those veterans sure did make a difference in the W/L column. 2-14 is what I call success!
11-12-2014, 02:07 PM
Quote:Exactly...
Carroll took over a 5-11 team. He then had them winning 2 more games within his first year. And in the playoff hunt and playoffs his second year, albeit at 7-9.
Either way, for the person to reference Pete Carrol and then also call other posters out for not knowing anything seems a bit... delusional... at the least...
7-9 isn't what I call winning. I call that below-average.
11-12-2014, 02:09 PM
Quote:It is Bradley's fault by a mile. It is his responsibility to win. He failed. In any other world he would have already been fired.
You clearly have no idea what the concept of a "turn-around CEO" is, do you...
