Quote:Thats the #1 issue.
I think after the Bye week you are going to see less turnovers and a few more wins. If not, I expect Fisch and Babich to be let go.
I would not want Fisch to be let go.
The surest way to delay the development of Bortles, Lee, Robinson, Hurns, and the rookie OLs is to have them learn an entirely new offense after struggling all of their rookie seasons to learn this one...especially Lee. Changing offense might actually cause Hurns to regress. I think Hurns has been as successful as he has because he knows the offense backwards and forwards.
Babich, OTOH...
Best thing is that Arians isn't with the Colts.
Quote:I would not want Fisch to be let go.
The surest way to delay the development of Bortles, Lee, Robinson, Hurns, and the rookie OLs is to have them learn an entirely new offense after struggling all of their rookie seasons to learn this one...especially Lee. Changing offense might actually cause Hurns to regress. I think Hurns has been as successful as he has because he knows the offense backwards and forwards.
Babich, OTOH...
But he is someone who can be upgraded. I would rather them learn a new offense next year while they are young than stick with Fisch's terrible play calling for a couple more years and then they have to learn a whole new offense in year 4.
Not changing for the sake of continuity is a bad excuse.
While the win/loss record isn't pretty, the Jaguars are competing with some of the better teams in the AFC (Miami, Pittsburgh, Cin etc..), we aren't being outclassed by those teams like we were in years past, we're simply beating ourselves with turnovers etc....The Jaguars (Imo) more than any other team in football have the potential to go from worst to first next year, due to the vast improvements we've seen in a relatively short period of time and playing in the worst division in football. If this team had a competent offense it beats Pittsburgh, Miami, and Cin, considering how young and inexperienced this roster is, I'm not sure how anyone can come away unimpressed with the job the front office and coaching staff has done. This is a quote from Matt Miller of Bleacher Report (I'm a big fan of his) weekly power rankings released this morning
"The Jacksonville Jaguars are guaranteed to not have a winning record in 2014 as they fall to 1-8. But as I've said in this space every week, this season is about development and maturation, Any wins are secondary. Let this stat tell you something- the Jaguars had eight starters on offense that are either rookies or second-year players, and two of those second-year players have less than 16 career starts. The offense is being built around quarterback Blake Bortles, running back Denard Robinson, receivers Allen Hurns, Allen Robinson, Cecil Shorts and Marqise Lee and with an offensive line that has four starters in their first two seasons. That will result in losses, but the Jaguars deserve credit for how tough they play each week. Nearly beating the 5-2-1 Cincinnati Bengals in week 9 is another example of that".
Unless Bortles develops into a quality starter, all this other development will be wasted.
Quote:But he is someone who can be upgraded. I would rather them learn a new offense next year while they are young than stick with Fisch's terrible play calling for a couple more years and then they have to learn a whole new offense in year 4.
Not changing for the sake of continuity is a bad excuse.
Maybe.
I might be willing to bring Koetter back if Atlanta completely dismantles their team after this year.
But I'm not sold that Fisch is a bad coordinator or "the problem" with the offense.
I think he overreacted to Bortles' INT issues in the first half. In the second half, he went back to "normal" playcalling.
I would like to see this same offense with the same personnel (except maybe adding a seam splitting TE and Blackmon instead of Shorts) at this stage next year.
I think given the way WRs can improve from year 1 to year 2, I think Lee, Robinson and Hurns could have really big years, and Bortles and the offense as a whole will benefit.
Quote:Maybe.
I might be willing to bring Koetter back if Atlanta completely dismantles their team after this year.
But I'm not sold that Fisch is a bad coordinator or "the problem" with the offense.
I think he overreacted to Bortles' INT issues in the first half. In the second half, he went back to "normal" playcalling.
I would like to see this same offense with the same personnel (except maybe adding a seam splitting TE and Blackmon instead of Shorts) at this stage next year.
I think given the way WRs can improve from year 1 to year 2, I think Lee, Robinson and Hurns could have really big years, and Bortles and the offense as a whole will benefit.
I totally agree that next year should be a lot better. Having a really good TE would make a huge difference but they are hard to find.
If we can get Blackmon back (huge IF), this offense will be really good next year.
Quote:I would not want Fisch to be let go.
The surest way to delay the development of Bortles, Lee, Robinson, Hurns, and the rookie OLs is to have them learn an entirely new offense after struggling all of their rookie seasons to learn this one...especially Lee. Changing offense might actually cause Hurns to regress. I think Hurns has been as successful as he has because he knows the offense backwards and forwards.
Babich, OTOH...
I disagree. I understand the reluctance to get rid of Fisch because of wanting continuity. However, I believe that keeping poor individuals in place for the sake of continuity is a losing proposition.
Hurns didn't have Fisch in Miami his last year with the U, and produced by far his best year at the college. Hurns' success this year is more to do with Hurns' abilities and skill set than it has anything to do with Fisch, in my opinion.
I don't think Fisch' offense is a good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles. Blake's strength is by far his vertical game and Fisch runs a west coast type of horizontal college offense. I think the Jags would be better served with an offensive coordinator that runs an offense that is tailored more to Bortles strengths. I'd also prefer an offensive coordinator that has somewhat of a more proven track record with QB development than Fisch has. The first 3 years of Bortles development are critical - I get that - thats why I don't believe it would be smart to have any more of them under Fisch. Any temporary "step back" Bortles would take as for learning another playbook, would likely be offset by 2 steps forward under an OC that had a proven track record of QB development in this league. Now, who would that OC be? That I don't know, but the head coach and even Caldwell to an extent are the one's that are paid to find that guy. Its a shame because Norv Turner would have been a very good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles but he was wisely scooped up by Zimmer.
This topic should be stickied.
Then again, OP would probably be called an idiot with no football knowledge, a homer wearing teal-colored glasses, an acceptor of mediocrity, and a loser who is not frustrated with losing.
Nice post bullseye.
Quote:I disagree. I understand the reluctance to get rid of Fisch because of wanting continuity. However, I believe that keeping poor individuals in place for the sake of continuity is a losing proposition.
Hurns didn't have Fisch in Miami his last year with the U, and produced by far his best year at the college. Hurns' success this year is more to do with Hurns' abilities and skill set than it has anything to do with Fisch, in my opinion.
I don't think Fisch' offense is a good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles. Blake's strength is by far his vertical game and Fisch runs a west coast type of horizontal college offense. I think the Jags would be better served with an offensive coordinator that runs an offense that is tailored more to Bortles strengths. I'd also prefer an offensive coordinator that has somewhat of a more proven track record with QB development than Fisch has. The first 3 years of Bortles development are critical - I get that - thats why I don't believe it would be smart to have any more of them under Fisch. Any temporary "step back" Bortles would take as for learning another playbook, would likely be offset by 2 steps forward under an OC that had a proven track record of QB development in this league. Now, who would that OC be? That I don't know, but the head coach and even Caldwell to an extent are the one's that are paid to find that guy. Its a shame because Norv Turner would have been a very good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles but he was wisely scooped up by Zimmer.
Is the playcalling a function of his (Fisch's) actual philosophy, or is it more a function of the limits of having rookies at QB, 3 WR spots, C, & RG and esentially rookies at LT, RB and RT?
I agree with you on a preference for a guy with a more proven track record for developing QBs.
Unfortunately, for the most part, most of those guys seem to be WCO guys.
As I stated earlier, absent Norv Turner, I wouldn't mind Koetter as a non WCO guy as our OC. Otherwise, I think Fisch can do the job, especially as the rookies get more experience and continue to develop.
Quote:I don't think Fisch' offense is a good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles. Blake's strength is by far his vertical game and Fisch runs a west coast type of horizontal college offense. I think the Jags would be better served with an offensive coordinator that runs an offense that is tailored more to Bortles strengths. I'd also prefer an offensive coordinator that has somewhat of a more proven track record with QB development than Fisch has. The first 3 years of Bortles development are critical - I get that - thats why I don't believe it would be smart to have any more of them under Fisch. Any temporary "step back" Bortles would take as for learning another playbook, would likely be offset by 2 steps forward under an OC that had a proven track record of QB development in this league. Now, who would that OC be? That I don't know, but the head coach and even Caldwell to an extent are the one's that are paid to find that guy. Its a shame because Norv Turner would have been a very good match for the strengths of Blake Bortles but he was wisely scooped up by Zimmer.
I don't think your concerns are unwarranted, Apollo. However, I think that Fisch's second half adjustment shows that he is somewhat malleable so maybe, despite his inclination to the WCO (which I hate, btw), he just may realize that Bortles isn't necessarily a good fit for that offense and evolve his style to better suit his QB instead of trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
Also, as far as QB development, isn't that more the purview of the QB coach (Scelfo) than the OC? In doing a little reading on Scelfo, his list of protegee's has not been very inspiring. So if anything, I would think that QB coach might be the place with the most pressing need for upgrade. I mean, aside from Nick Foles, he hasn't had his hand on any really good QB prospects.
Quote:Is the playcalling a function of his (Fisch's) actual philosophy, or is it more a function of the limits of having rookies at QB, 3 WR spots, C, & RG and esentially rookies at LT, RB and RT?
I agree with you on a preference for a guy with a more proven track record for developing QBs.
Unfortunately, for the most part, most of those guys seem to be WCO guys.
As I stated earlier, absent Norv Turner, I wouldn't mind Koetter as a non WCO guy as our OC. Otherwise, I think Fisch can do the job, especially as the rookies get more experience and continue to develop.
Excellent OP and salient point above. IMO it's too hard to definitively evaluate the play calling with this many young players starting on offense. However, I think we should get a clearer picture over the last half of the season, and I for one expect things to start looking much better.