Quote:LOL... Sorry, but Cyp is not the issue.
In an attempt to try and be self aware, I know that I also lay blame on certain units of this team...
But really? Cyprien? One of the better players on this team is getting heat?
C'mon ya'll
what makes you say he's one of the better players on this team? He's not even close to that.
He's been talked up like he is, but he's not. He was personally responsible for the long touchdown today. He needs to improve with the basic plays and then finally make some big plays as well.
Some of you folks on here are just pathetic. Prior to today's game the secondary had been playing good football over the last few weeks. Its not like we got torched by a rookie QB. It's a young team. Growing pains, get over it.....
Quote:It's a message board.
We just played a game. My wife doesn't want to listen to me talking about Cyprien, so I came here. Is there something wrong with that?
Your wife sounds like a smart lady.
Quote:You're joking about Caldwell right?
Hurns, Davis, Abry Jones are 3 UDFA's that are contributing hard to the team right now that he's picked up in the past year.
He's drafted guys like Smith & Smith who are contributing as rookies, Gratz who plays well, Cyprien who has had good games and for the most part is a good safety (despite what you think). He's drafted Allen Robinson who has been great, he got Dennard in the FIFTH ROUND and look at how well he is running. He drafted a legit starting center in the SIXTH round who is performing pretty well for a rookie. He drafted Linder who is grading as one of the best guards in the league.
The one guy who should not be on the hot seat is Dave Caldwell, he's doing a good job...
I think you misunderstood. I like what Caldwell has done for the most part. I make the argument that a lot of the young guys on this team are not improving. We need veteran leaders on this team to "go to battle with" similar to Bryant and Clemons. I want us to go after veterans on both sides of the ball (and special teams), because obviously relying on guys like Cyprien will land you 1-8 this year and 5-20 so far for this regime.
I don't think Cyprien is a good safety. I think he's decent, but not worth the #33 overall pick.
Gratz has been as advertised, a decent corner.
Denard has been a great pick.
Ace has been a poor pick.
McCray has been a great pick.
The most important picks you have to get right are your 1st and 2nd rounders.... and the 2013 draft class for us (and for a lot of teams to be fair) has been very "Meh"...
Quote:Some of you folks on here are just pathetic. Prior to today's game the secondary had been playing good football over the last few weeks. Its not like we got torched by a rookie QB. It's a young team. Growing pains, get over it.....
Why are you on the message board? To tell other's they shouldn't be complaining about certain players or coaches or plays or whatever? It's what a message board is for. Don't like it? Find the red thing on the top right of your screen and leave.
Quote:So out of 11 players on defense Cyp is the only one responsible for that 60 yd run
He's the most responsible. Evans could've made a tackle to push him out of bounds, but he missed as well. You can't miss your gap like that and be called the leader of this team.
He doesn't make big plays. I will criticize him when he doesn't even make the routine plays. I would be more lenient if Cyprien was just a gambler and sometimes just misses his gap because he was being too aggressive. I would be alright if he sometimes actually DOES something other than what just about any other average NFL safety does.
Quote:You're joking about Caldwell right?
Hurns, Davis, Abry Jones are 3 UDFA's that are contributing hard to the team right now that he's picked up in the past year.
He's drafted guys like Smith & Smith who are contributing as rookies, Gratz who plays well, Cyprien who has had good games and for the most part is a good safety (despite what you think). He's drafted Allen Robinson who has been great, he got Dennard in the FIFTH ROUND and look at how well he is running. He drafted a legit starting center in the SIXTH round who is performing pretty well for a rookie. He drafted Linder who is grading as one of the best guards in the league.
The one guy who should not be on the hot seat is Dave Caldwell, he's doing a good job...
He also hired Gus Bradley. His worst move to date. Besides that I'm cool with Caldwell but he's gotta let Gus go or all credibility is lost.
Quote:what makes you say he's one of the better players on this team? He's not even close to that.
He's been talked up like he is, but he's not. He was personally responsible for the long touchdown today. He needs to improve with the basic plays and then finally make some big plays as well.
Actually, he is one of the better players on the team.
If you want to erase his stellar play the entire season because he gave up a run which was not even 100% his fault, you're an idiot.
Quote:Actually, he is one of the better players on the team.
If you want to erase his stellar play the entire season because he gave up a run which was not even 100% his fault, you're an idiot.
Tough talk, kid. I bet you wouldn't call someone you didn't know an idiot to their face.
If you think Cyp has been "stellar" you are doing something way worse than "drinking the kool-aid"
Quote:Tough talk, kid. I bet you wouldn't call someone you didn't know an idiot to their face.
If you think Cyp has been "stellar" you are doing something way worse than "drinking the kool-aid"
The secondary has been stellar the past 5 weeks and Cyp has been a beast in run defense all season. He does exactly what Gus needs him to do.
And do you expect me to be afraid of someone who breathes and bleeds the same as I do?
Quote:Tough talk, kid. I bet you wouldn't call someone you didn't know an idiot to their face.
If you think Cyp has been "stellar" you are doing something way worse than "drinking the kool-aid"
You think anyone is going to take you seriously when you say high school crap like this? So you think Cyp isn't a very good player - you're entitled to your own opinion. Just remember this: your opinion is just that
- an opinion...nothing more.
Quote:You think anyone is going to take you seriously when you say high school crap like this? So you think Cyp isn't a very good player - you're entitled to your own opinion. Just remember this: your opinion is just that - an opinion...nothing more.
of course it's just an opinion.
my opinion is that Cyprien has been very average this year (which IS an improvement over last year where he was bad for most of the year), but has not had a significant enough improvement in his play to warrant the #33 overall pick last year. Furthermore, people that blindly proclaim him some kind of very good player are also flat-out wrong (in my opinion) because his play has not been that impressive at all.
Quote:what makes you say he's one of the better players on this team? He's not even close to that.
He's been talked up like he is, but he's not. He was personally responsible for the long touchdown today. He needs to improve with the basic plays and then finally make some big plays as well.
You are acting as though Cyp was the one reason we lost this game. He wasn't. On top of that,Cyp is one of the main reasons we are in the last few games we've played.
He's not a liability. He's a solid piece to our D. Whether he was the reason we gave up 1 (ONE) TD today isn't a reason to detract from him as a player.
Sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
If you want to talk about liabilities, go focus on the offense. There is a huge liability there at the moment.
Or maybe focus on the Special Teams blocking on both punt and field goals. Another HUGE liability.
Or how bout kick offs not going out of bounds. YET ANOTHER HUGE LIABILITY.
You're diatribes reminds me of Reservoir Dogs... "you gonna bark, little doggie?"
Quote:of course it's just an opinion.
my opinion is that Cyprien has been very average this year
LOL, go get yourself a dictionary...
HUGE difference from "liability" and "very average".
Get outta here with your nonsense!
I'm out.
Go Jags!
Quote:Cyprien has not made the second year "step forward" many of us anticipated. It's very disappointing. He hasn't been terrible, and I don't think he's a liability. But he should be playing better. Evans is a liability IMO. Cyprien just needs to step his game up and play with more discipline. I hope he can. I saw two over pursuits in the run game today.
Cyp is essentially a 1st round pick and not playing like it at all.
Quote:So out of 11 players on defense Cyp is the only one responsible for that 60 yd run
He was the one that missed the inital tackle/his responsibility. The runner should have been tackled within 5 yards of the LOS.
Quote:Cyp is essentially a 1st round pick and not playing like it at all.
His performance is not congruent with his draft position, but I have to chuckle at the "essentially 1st round pick" stuff.
He was chosen early in the second round. I don't see any need to contort that to help any argument. He isn't a first round pick. Essentially or otherwise. Just call him an early 2nd rounder.
He's not playing like an early second rounder either at times.
Quote:His performance is not congruent with his draft position, but I have to chuckle at the "essentially 1st round pick" stuff.
He was chosen early in the second round. I don't see any need to contort that to help any argument. He isn't a first round pick. Essentially or otherwise. Just call him an early 2nd rounder.
He's not playing like an early second rounder either at times.
Chuckle all you want. He was 33 overall...that's 1 pick from being in the 1st round. It's fair to say "essentially a first rounder."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldra...&type=team
Quote:Chuckle all you want. He was 33 overall...that's 1 pick from being in the 1st round. It's fair to say "essentially a first rounder."
Say it all you want. I get it. I guess it's just a pet-peeve. Been reading too much JW.
He's just a second rounder to me.
Quote:Chuckle all you want. He was 33 overall...that's 1 pick from being in the 1st round. It's fair to say "essentially a first rounder."
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2250&type=team'>http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2250&type=team</a>
At what point is it not essentially a first rounder?