10-22-2014, 06:52 PM
Well it looks like ESPN starting it's crap again. I am so sick of this stuff:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/117452...eam-london
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/117452...eam-london
10-22-2014, 06:52 PM
10-22-2014, 06:54 PM
So what exactly is wrong with the article?
10-22-2014, 06:58 PM
Looks good to me.
10-22-2014, 07:11 PM
I guess the OP means the speculation that the Jaguar's are a potential relocation candidate. I don't pay much attention to that anymore.
10-22-2014, 07:18 PM
If we keep drafting in the top 5 ... If Bradwell and Bortles don't pan out, it will be very challenging to keep fans from becoming apathetic. We've been bad so long, something's gotta give. Fortunately, I like what I've seen from the new era but our record better start reflecting that by next season
10-22-2014, 07:19 PM
I think the national media has laid off us recently on relocating. It's rare nowadays to hear about the tarps or season tickets problem. Now we mostly get picked on because of our record.
10-22-2014, 07:19 PM
Quote:Well it looks like ESPN starting it's crap again. I am so sick of this stuff:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/117452...eam-london
10-22-2014, 07:22 PM
The Jags will ALWAYS continue to be mentioned as a possible London team until they either get good enough to compete for a Super Bowl OR London actually gets an NFL team.
You better get used to it OP, because that's just the way it's going to be.
You better get used to it OP, because that's just the way it's going to be.
10-22-2014, 07:25 PM
Sorry I had an issue to take care of at the office. What I should have said is they are pushing to move a team over there, and spread everything out when it shouldn't be. You can include any team you want in the conversation, I just do not think the NFL needs to move a team there. And now on NFL.com they are talking about a possible Superbowl happening over there which is ridiculous.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-in-london
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-in-london
10-22-2014, 07:25 PM
Quote:I guess the OP means the speculation that the Jaguar's are a potential relocation candidate. I don't pay much attention to that anymore.
Nobody who's been around a while and knows better doesn't either.
I always just expect the Jags to get mentioned in an article like this, along with a couple of other teams.
They never disappoint either.
Hey, at least it's an article about the Jags.
10-22-2014, 07:30 PM
Quote:Sorry I had an issue to take care of at the office. What I should have said is they are pushing to move a team over there, and spread everything out when it shouldn't be. You can include any team you want in the conversation, I just do not think the NFL needs to move a team there. And now on NFL.com they are talking about a possible Superbowl happening over there which is ridiculous.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-in-london
How else do you propose the NFL expands it's cashflow? If you've got a better idea I'm sure Mr. Goodell would love to hear it.
I imagine it'll just be "they don't need to make any more money, they make enough already".
10-22-2014, 07:31 PM
Quote:Sorry I had an issue to take care of at the office. What I should have said is they are pushing to move a team over there, and spread everything out when it shouldn't be. You can include any team you want in the conversation, I just do not think the NFL needs to move a team there. And now on NFL.com they are talking about a possible Superbowl happening over there which is ridiculous.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-in-london
I learned a long time ago that if there is enough money offered, just about anything can happen.
That goes for the NFL too.
10-22-2014, 07:33 PM
They're talking over here about the Premier League having a "39th round of games" played around the world. Much like everything else these days it's the globalization of sports.
Edit (bit of a ramble):
It's been happening in other industries for decades. Imagine if Samsung only sold products in Korea, Ford only sold cars in the USA, musicians would only play gigs in the country they came from. It's just the way it is now. I for one love the idea, and not just for the fact that it would bring an NFL team here.
Look at soccer: the biggest event in soccer is the World Cup. People who don't normally care for the sport will watch the World Cup. Things feel so much grander on the world stage and this would be true of every sport. The biggest club event in soccer is the European Champions League - featuring the best clubs in Europe. I'd love for this to become a global competition.
Edit (bit of a ramble):
It's been happening in other industries for decades. Imagine if Samsung only sold products in Korea, Ford only sold cars in the USA, musicians would only play gigs in the country they came from. It's just the way it is now. I for one love the idea, and not just for the fact that it would bring an NFL team here.
Look at soccer: the biggest event in soccer is the World Cup. People who don't normally care for the sport will watch the World Cup. Things feel so much grander on the world stage and this would be true of every sport. The biggest club event in soccer is the European Champions League - featuring the best clubs in Europe. I'd love for this to become a global competition.
10-22-2014, 07:50 PM
I can find no fault with the article. They're merely stating what we already know.
10-22-2014, 07:52 PM
I hear what you're saying, BritishJag...
But here's the problem as I see it. There is a fact that when a market martures, revenue and margins stabilize. The NFL here, and the English Premier League there are mature industries with mature markets.
Therefore, the huge margins and exponential revenue curves eventually pan out. This is a long term effect that happens in every situation.
Now, expansion into a new market may be an option for certain products. But I think the EPL and the NFL are "niche" products that will be difficult to expand in "foreign" markets that have thier own established culture, and products they favor.
That doesn't stop the EPL or the NFL to try and expand. But the issue becomes where the expansion actually creates unforeseen costs and product dilution that would adversely affect the already established markets.
I don't know enough about the EPL to make a judgement. But I'm pretty sure a London team will effect the NFL product... Perhaps the dilution would not be so recognizable to reduce revenue streams. But I have a strong feeling the extra costs would reduce margins in the long run.
I think the problem with mature industries now-a-days can be seen in the microcosm example of this NFL talk to London. They are only looking at the short run and not looking at what likely can happen in the long run.
But here's the problem as I see it. There is a fact that when a market martures, revenue and margins stabilize. The NFL here, and the English Premier League there are mature industries with mature markets.
Therefore, the huge margins and exponential revenue curves eventually pan out. This is a long term effect that happens in every situation.
Now, expansion into a new market may be an option for certain products. But I think the EPL and the NFL are "niche" products that will be difficult to expand in "foreign" markets that have thier own established culture, and products they favor.
That doesn't stop the EPL or the NFL to try and expand. But the issue becomes where the expansion actually creates unforeseen costs and product dilution that would adversely affect the already established markets.
I don't know enough about the EPL to make a judgement. But I'm pretty sure a London team will effect the NFL product... Perhaps the dilution would not be so recognizable to reduce revenue streams. But I have a strong feeling the extra costs would reduce margins in the long run.
I think the problem with mature industries now-a-days can be seen in the microcosm example of this NFL talk to London. They are only looking at the short run and not looking at what likely can happen in the long run.
10-22-2014, 08:33 PM
I'm not sure how the team would effect the NFL product, but the only things I could think of are:
Fans - The NFL would not move/start a team in London unless it is confident it could sell out 8 games a year. Wembley stadium holds 90,00 (86,000 for NFL) people which would make it the largest (by seating amount) stadium in the NFL. It would also be one of the most modern stadiums in the league (currently 4th, 5th once the Vikings new stadium opens). Currently the NFL have sold out 3 games this year, 2 games last year and single games in previous seasons at Wembley. The rumour going around right now is that a team will play back-to-back games in a season at Wembley. One thing I saw was the Jags hosting the Bills in London next year then the Bills sticking around for a week and playing a home game in London themselves. People who are against the idea will relate to the NFL Europe attendances however that's a terrible argument. NFL Europe was a farm for 99% arena league standard players to play, it was a "reserve" league and was never going to be a success.
Travel - It currently takes 5 hours 40 minutes from New York to San Fran, it takes 7 hours 15 minutes to London - just 1 1/2 hours more. This is reasonable. The biggest problem is the west coast teams heading over to the UK and I agree that could be a problem. It currently takes around 10 hours to get from San Fran to London. I'm not really clued up on aviation too much but I imagine 20/30 years ago teams would travel a lot more than 10 hours to get from one city to another. Aside from that plenty of business people travel across the Atlantic weekly and get by just fine. A 10 hour flight isn't that crazy.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. The way I see it - London is not just a singular thing, it's a gateway for the NFL into the wider world. The biggest hurdle is the first one and if they can be successful in London then it'll only open more and more windows of opportunity to expand.
Fans - The NFL would not move/start a team in London unless it is confident it could sell out 8 games a year. Wembley stadium holds 90,00 (86,000 for NFL) people which would make it the largest (by seating amount) stadium in the NFL. It would also be one of the most modern stadiums in the league (currently 4th, 5th once the Vikings new stadium opens). Currently the NFL have sold out 3 games this year, 2 games last year and single games in previous seasons at Wembley. The rumour going around right now is that a team will play back-to-back games in a season at Wembley. One thing I saw was the Jags hosting the Bills in London next year then the Bills sticking around for a week and playing a home game in London themselves. People who are against the idea will relate to the NFL Europe attendances however that's a terrible argument. NFL Europe was a farm for 99% arena league standard players to play, it was a "reserve" league and was never going to be a success.
Travel - It currently takes 5 hours 40 minutes from New York to San Fran, it takes 7 hours 15 minutes to London - just 1 1/2 hours more. This is reasonable. The biggest problem is the west coast teams heading over to the UK and I agree that could be a problem. It currently takes around 10 hours to get from San Fran to London. I'm not really clued up on aviation too much but I imagine 20/30 years ago teams would travel a lot more than 10 hours to get from one city to another. Aside from that plenty of business people travel across the Atlantic weekly and get by just fine. A 10 hour flight isn't that crazy.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. The way I see it - London is not just a singular thing, it's a gateway for the NFL into the wider world. The biggest hurdle is the first one and if they can be successful in London then it'll only open more and more windows of opportunity to expand.
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10-22-2014, 08:44 PM
Quote:Well it looks like ESPN starting it's crap again. I am so sick of this stuff:For all we know, moving the Jags to London might have been a personal goal of Khan's all along.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/117452...eam-london
10-22-2014, 08:57 PM
Quote:For all we know, moving the Jags to London might have been a personal goal of Khan's all along.
If that were true, he's doing it wrong
10-22-2014, 09:01 PM
Quote:I can find no fault with the article. They're merely stating what we already know.
I agree. I would point out that the stadium speaks for itself. That's a new piece to the puzzle that bodes well for the city.
10-22-2014, 09:16 PM
I'd rather see a team in LA than London.