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I'd rather have Leonard Williams in the 1st.  Prewitt if available in the 2nd, but if not I'd be happy with Kurtis Drummond.

Quote:Notice in the final one #7 the rangy FS Elston is coming over the top and Prewitt is playing middle coverage.  

 

Prewitt excels in the Middle zone and run support as you can see in the videos//his 75 int return where he was in robber coverage.  He is not an over the top single high FS.   Great Player but he isn't running with WRs deep or coming across to break up deep passes.

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11685607

 

No, that last video is a cover 3.  Elston is playing deep middle, Prewitt is playing deep right and the LCB is playing deep left.

Quote:No, that last video is a cover 3.  Elston is playing deep middle, Prewitt is playing deep right and the LCB is playing deep left.

 

Elston is indeed playing the Deep Middle...I was trying to articulate that Prewitt was playing more middle level as in (10-12yards off the line).

 

Prewitt to me doesn't have the hips//range//recovery speed as was evidenced in the video.

 

As for titles along the Ole Miss Defense they have a ton that aren't normal...and while Prewitt is labeled a FS his play style to me resembles more of what a conventional SS does in the NFL (playing downhill//Enforcer and not an over the top trailing//recovery speed type like a FS usually is)

 

Would anyone who watches OM really call Tony Conner a nickel corner?  He is a husky and plays more of a LB//Safety Hybrid role.

 

Same with OLBs being called Stingers and the Roaming Safety being called a Rover.  In Ole Miss' 4-2-5, the safety roles vary compared to the conventional 4 DB set ups or Nickel packages.

Quote:No, actually Prewitt is the FS and Elston is the SS (or as they call it, Rover).  Prewitt plays deep the majority of their plays.  I have no idea what you are watching if you think its the other way around.  There's no hope for you.

 

Obviously our definitions of FS//SS differ.

 

I see a SS as your physical safety who is more adept in run support but can also cover TEs but you wouldn't want them lining up against slots or quick wrs.  I see a SS as a safety that plays more in the box and makes a majority of his plays in the 12yards or less off the line.  He has decent speed but usually doesn't have the recovery speed to catch up if burned deep.  Stiffer hips and plays more like a LB.

 

I see a FS as your speedy safety who is more adept in pass support and has near sideline to sideline range.  You don't mind them covering wrs but wouldn't necessarily ask them to come into the box and shed blocks and take on a RB head to head on a running play.  Recovery speed being one of the biggest traits....usually plays high and is your safety valve in coverage and is mostly seen over the top in coverage. 

 

My definitions could be wrong however as I haven't been breaking down "tapes" for 10+ years...maybe in 2025 my definitions will match yours.

Quote:Obviously our definitions of FS//SS differ.

 

I see a SS as your physical safety who is more adept in run support but can also cover TEs but you wouldn't want them lining up against slots or quick wrs.  I see a SS as a safety that plays more in the box and makes a majority of his plays in the 12yards or less off the line.  He has decent speed but usually doesn't have the recovery speed to catch up if burned deep.  Stiffer hips and plays more like a LB.

 

I see a FS as your speedy safety who is more adept in pass support and has near sideline to sideline range.  You don't mind them covering wrs but wouldn't necessarily ask them to come into the box and shed blocks and take on a RB head to head on a running play.  Recovery speed being one of the biggest traits....usually plays high and is your safety valve in coverage and is mostly seen over the top in coverage. 

 

My definitions could be wrong however as I haven't been breaking down "tapes" for 10+ years...maybe in 2025 my definitions will match yours.

 

Well, maybe your definition of "box" is different than mine.  Maybe your definition of box is sideline to sideline, LOS to 30 yards into the defensive backfield.  It has to be, because Prewitt rarely plays at the LOS.

I have to be going crazy.  This is the second time in as many days that someone has argued what kind of a safety X player is.  

 

For the record.  

 

Landon Collins = Hybrid SS with decent range for a SS, but not enough to play FS. I'd rate him a high second as a SS and a 4th as a FS.

 

Cody Prewitt = FS with stiffer hips and slower play recognition.  Could probably play either position.  I'd rate him as a 3rd FS or SS. 

Quote:I have to be going crazy.  This is the second time in as many days that someone has argued what kind of a safety X player is.  

 

For the record.  

 

Landon Collins = Hybrid SS with decent range for a SS, but not enough to play FS. I'd rate him a high second as a SS and a 4th as a FS.

 

Cody Prewitt = FS with stiffer hips and slower play recognition.  Could probably play either position.  I'd rate him as a 3rd FS or SS. 

 

Landon Collins isn't making it out of the top 15 picks, may not even the top 10, and he'll probably end up drafted s a FS.

Quote:Landon Collins isn't making it out of the top 15 picks, may not even the top 10, and he'll probably end up drafted s a FS.

 

Maybe.  Its still way too early to start projecting players very much.  This time last year Blake Bortles wasn't even mentioned as a day 2 player and Teddy Bridgewater was easily the consensus #1 overall.

 

I'm just stating how I would value them.

#7 Elston is the SS enforcer type. Prewitt regularly plays deep. Look back in the college section in the thread I posted and follow the link there. Pretty good article of Prewitt at the FS postion

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Would anyone who watches OM really call Tony Conner a nickel corner? He is a husky and plays more of a LB//Safety Hybrid role.

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Connor is a really great player. He has good cover skills, but has too much run support to truly be labeled as a "nickleback". Ole miss plays that 4-2-5 D which allows multiple looks from the secondary. He would be considered more of an OLB, but I expect once Elston graduates, he will move to the SS spot. He is a heck of a player though. His first career snap ended with him getting a pick. Once Prewitt and Elston leave, expect the back 2 of the Landshark D to consist of Conner at the SS and possibly Anthony Alford (2nd rd pick of the Blue Jays a few years back, fun fact) to man the FS

Quote:Connor is a really great player. He has good cover skills, but has too much run support to truly be labeled as a "nickleback". Ole miss plays that 4-2-5 D which allows multiple looks from the secondary. He would be considered more of an OLB, but I expect once Elston graduates, he will move to the SS spot. He is a heck of a player though. His first career snap ended with him getting a pick. Once Prewitt and Elston leave, expect the back 2 of the Landshark D to consist of Conner at the SS and possibly Anthony Alford (2nd rd pick of the Blue Jays a few years back, fun fact) to man the FS

No longer on the team...

 

Look for Freshman CJ Hampton to take that spot.

 

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/olemi.../16484183/

Ah, I haven't been in a spot to keep up with much news from my alma mater. Guy was a heck of an athlete. Sure he will be playing at the major league level soon