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And Peyton missed a season.  Guy is amazing. 

Quote:What rule was changed? Can you name it?

 

are you kidding?

 

Quote:are you kidding?

 
He pulled the same schtick in the Andrew Luck thread when I said comparing passing stats from now to 10-15 years ago is apples to oranges.

Quote:He pulled the same schtick in the Andrew Luck thread when I said comparing passing stats from now to 10-15 years ago is apples to oranges.

And yet you refuse to show Amy documented rule changes that were passed by the committee!


The rule was not changed. They just started to call it correctly.


Also that is just one reason why we see the numbers today. Why is passing up in High Schools and College if the cause is some phantom rule change in the NFL?


And it was exactly 10 years ago that they made a point to call the game the way the rule was written in 1978.

Simple question:
Do you think passings stats are more inflated now than 15 years ago?

Quote:Simple question:

Do you think passings stats are more inflated now than 15 years ago?

Well duh! I also think the QB's are more ready from an early age. It's well documented that QBs are being developed for a passing game than they were in the past! But to say it's because of a so called rule change is silly. There are so many more variables to consider!

To humor you...

2002:
"It is illegal to hit a quarterback helmet-to-helmet any time after a change of possession."

2006:
"Low hits on the quarterback are prohibited when a rushing defender has an opportunity to avoid such contact."

2009:
"It is an illegal hit on a defenseless receiver if the initial force of the contact by the defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of the receiver. Penalty: 15 yards."

"Clarified rule regarding low hits on passers:
A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player."

2010:
"A player who has just completed a catch is protected from blows to the head or neck by an opponent who launches."

"All 'defenseless players' are protected from blows to the head delivered by an opponent's helmet, forearm, or shoulder."


2011:
"A receiver who has completed a catch is a "defenseless player" until he has had time to protect himself or has clearly become a runner."



All of those rules, comebined with the obvious crackdown on illegal contact penalites since 2004, has led to inflated passing stats. This is obvious to anybody with an ounce of common sense.

 

Quote:Well duh! I also think the QB's are more ready from an early age. It's well documented that QBs are being developed for a passing game than they were in the past! But to say it's because of a so called rule change is silly. There are so many more variables to consider!

 
There are most definitely more variables to consider, but to pretend like comparing 2014 stats to 2001 stats is apples to apples is idiocy at its finest.

Quote:To humor you...


2002:

"It is illegal to hit a quarterback helmet-to-helmet any time after a change of possession."


2006:

"Low hits on the quarterback are prohibited when a rushing defender has an opportunity to avoid such contact."


2009:

"It is an illegal hit on a defenseless receiver if the initial force of the contact by the defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of the receiver. Penalty: 15 yards."


"Clarified rule regarding low hits on passers:

A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player."


2010:

"A player who has just completed a catch is protected from blows to the head or neck by an opponent who launches."


"All 'defenseless players' are protected from blows to the head delivered by an opponent's helmet, forearm, or shoulder."



2011:

"A receiver who has completed a catch is a "defenseless player" until he has had time to protect himself or has clearly become a runner."




All of those rules, comebined with the obvious crackdown on illegal contact penalites since 2004, has led to inflated passing stats. This is obvious to anybody with an ounce of common sense.

so explain why is passing up on Hs and college as well? How did what you posted affect non NFL leagues?


So player safety increased the passing yards? Well shoot darn excellent rules them! I don't recall hitting players in the head being legal in the modern era ever!


Explanation.

I'm not complaining about the rules or player safety. I'm stating that the rules are, in fact, correlated to increased passing numbers. QBs can stand in the pocket a little bit longer and hit the open receiver. Receivers than focus on making the catch without worrying about getting de-cleated by a safety. To say those things have NO effect on passing numbers is moronic.

Quote:I'm not complaining about the rules or player safety. I'm stating that the rules are, in fact, correlated to increased passing numbers. QBs can stand in the pocket a little bit longer and hit the open receiver. Receivers than focus on making the catch without worrying about getting de-cleated by a safety. To say those things have NO effect on passing numbers is moronic.

I never said NO effect. Just a small effect. There are way bigger reasons why we see Madden stats. You fail to acknowledge it and want to deny that maybe just maybe the QB pool is just a little better than it was 20 years ago because they are trained better.


Oh an you can still decleat a player, ask Gio Bernard! Hit the right way! An the right way has not changed!! It was always the way you should hit. Textbook

 

Quote:I never said NO effect. Just a small effect. There are way bigger reasons why we see Madden stats. You fail to acknowledge it and want to deny that maybe just maybe the QB pool is just a little better than it was 20 years ago because they are trained better.

Oh an you can still decleat a player, ask Gio Bernard! Hit the right way! An the right way has not changed!! It was always the way you should hit. Textbook

 
Players got away with hitting the wrong way 10, 15, 20 years ago. This led to more dropped passes and thus deflated passing stats. Simple logic is lost no you.

Quote:Players got away with hitting the wrong way 10, 15, 20 years ago. This led to more dropped passes and thus deflated passing stats. Simple logic is lost no you.

One you have a bad habit of attacking people and not information. It appears to be in violation of TOS. But since your are young and get all your history from NFL network, I will let it pass. Just regurgitate what media tells you.


Why are the passing numbers up in every level of football?

Correlation =/= causation.

Quote:One you have a bad habit of attacking people and not information. It appears to be in violation of TOS. But since your are young and get all your history from NFL network, I will let it pass. Just regurgitate what media tells you.


Why are the passing numbers up in every level of football?

Kind of makes sense that if that's the way the pro game is played now then that's the way they're going to teach and play younger...


And the pro game is played differently because of those rule changes.


How are you not getting this?

Quote:Kind of makes sense that if that's the way the pro game is played now then that's the way they're going to teach and play younger...


And the pro game is played differently because of those rule changes.


How are you not getting this?

But then explain guys like Drew Brees who at Purdue made the spread so popular was rewriting the passing records in college and high school in the 90's.


This has been factually proven that the NFL for the first time is taking the lead from the lower levels. Today's kids are more NFL ready than at any time in the history of football and it did not start do to any rule change the NFL passed.


But, if you want to attribute rules changing as the only reason for the numbers today, then go ahead discount the other ten variables in force here.

Who said it was the only reason?

Double Post

Quote:Who said it was the only reason?

You for one. Every time someone talks about how good these current young QB's rather than admit they are flippn talented you credit it some silly rules. QBs today are more pro ready. And regardless of the rules changing they would be putting up better numbers.


Case in point;


Andrew Luck as a rookie could read defenses already better than Peyton according to the coach who coached both players as rookies.

Quote:And yet you refuse to show Amy documented rule changes that were passed by the committee!


The rule was not changed. They just started to call it correctly.


Also that is just one reason why we see the numbers today. Why is passing up in High Schools and College if the cause is some phantom rule change in the NFL?


And it was exactly 10 years ago that they made a point to call the game the way the rule was written in 1978.

 

Oh no, you people are saying the game has changed and the Colt fan gets threatened!