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Please tell me the OP is trolling and isn't actually serious.

Quote:Please tell me the OP is trolling and isn't actually serious.

 

I'll admit it is getting much harder to tell apart the trolls from the non-trolls anymore in here.

 

This constant losing each week has blurred a lot of lines that should be clear.

It's obvious 99% of this isn't trolling.


Trolling is the act of purposely trying to get people upset by conveying an idea that you yourself may not agree on.


People aren't trolling. They are legitimately frustrated and upset that this franchise has fallen to where it is today.


Just because someone has a differing opinion than your own doesn't make them a troll. At this point you can almost guarantee that someone calling another a troll actually means you have no counter argument. I've done it myself. Doesnt make it right.

Caldwell deserves to stay. The talent has been upgraded. 

 

The coaching has been pitiful. The coaching staff or at least 95% of it deserves to be gone. 

Quote:Please tell me the OP is trolling and isn't actually serious.

 

YOU must be trolling. 

 

The head coach is now 4-18 and showing no signs of improvement as a head coach. 

Quote:Yeah, FA never works out.  Alex Mack, the $42 million center, got carted off today and may be lost for the season.  We got our C of the future with a 6th round pick.  Build through the draft.

 

Still, the Jags are gonna have to dole out some money in FA next year by rule.

Quote:Please tell me the OP is trolling and isn't actually serious.

This is the same kind of response I got in year 2 of the gene smith era.  People told me to chill out and let it play out.  I knew the inevitable was coming but didn't have to wait to see the whole plan play out.

 

This plan is not working and don't need another 5 years to see it.

I really could care less what he is thinking, I'm pretty sure he has no interest in what a single person posting here thinks,

Quote:I really could care less what he is thinking, I'm pretty sure he has no interest in what a single person posting here thinks,

U dont care... he dont care.... I guess I wont care... it'll be anarchy!!!

I'm pretty sure he's upset with the results. And I bet he'll sit down with Caldwell and Gus to discuss some things, and possibly talk about spending that lovely cap space...

Quote:Maybe give out free sandals to the women in the pool area and collect and drop them in his office after the game.

Lol wow

Quote:Here is another excuse I love:

 

"but you can't build through free agency and can get yourself in cap trouble."

 

That is total crap.  The Jags spent big money in the 90's and it got them 2 afc championship games in 3 years.   Yes we had cap trouble after that but we still had major success.

 

We have been consistent stinkers.  Saving money on the cap hasn't done squat for us

 

 

Yep, it is the biggest "sell" that Oesher and some on this board have tried selling. The Jaguars loaded up on FA to quickly build that team early in our franchise. They just went too far with it. Add in some draft busts and it became an overpriced and aging team.

 

Believe it nor not, there is nothing wrong with Gene Smith's philosophy. He had some bad luck and even worse execution though.

 

You CAN build with a young core while signing good productive veterans to help them along the way.

 

Sure, you can draft a bunch of young guys and bank on them improving and all of them hitting it big, kind of like Seattle. But as Gus and Dave are finding out, its not as easy to build a team with majority of them being young guys. Caldwell has to dip into the cap next season, or both him and Gus will be on a very hot seat. Blake is getting over 10 games this season to get experienced, same with the OL and the WRs. Another 4 win season next year won't save Gus/Dave even if Blake proves to be the franchise QB we've been looking for.

 

Anything short of 8-8 would be a failure next year.

 

It took JDR and Shack two seasons to rebuild (although TC did leave them with cornerstone DTs, the depth on that team was depleted) and take us to 9-7, then 12-4 before the lack of production from the 1st rounders took its toll.

 

Gene Smith, despite letting go of some of the draft busts and aging veterans from Harris' regime...still finished 7-9 in 2009. That's 3 more wins in one season than the Gus/DC regime has had in 1.5 seasons. A year after that, Gene "Smiff"'s team managed 8 wins before the lack of stars (and the failure of Gabbert) doomed him (along with JDR and Wayne being lame ducks).

 

Think about that. For as bad as Shack/Gene + JDR combo were, to this point they have vastly outperformed Gus/Dave.

 

This regime MUST turn it around next season or that will be it for them...

 

In general, there is a theme to why the TC Jags and the Shack/Gene Jags failed...failure of draft picks to develop. TC startred out great before taking some wild swings and missing. Shack's 1sts were horrible but his 2nd/3rd rounders got him a competitive team. Gene's 1sts were even worse, and his 2nd/3rd rounders weren't as good, so his team fell apart.

 

The same will happen to Dave if his draft class doesn't step up. So far Blake looks like the only true "star" in the making. Cyp looks solid, and so does A-Rob, while Luke looks like an even worse LT than the guy he is replacing.

Quote:Caldwell deserves to stay. The talent has been upgraded. 

 

The coaching has been pitiful. The coaching staff or at least 95% of it deserves to be gone. 

 

Stop making sense TMD.

Quote:Yep, it is the biggest "sell" that Oesher and some on this board have tried selling. The Jaguars loaded up on FA to quickly build that team early in our franchise. They just went too far with it. Add in some draft busts and it became an overpriced and aging team.

 

Believe it nor not, there is nothing wrong with Gene Smith's philosophy. He had some bad luck and even worse execution though.

 

You CAN build with a young core while signing good productive veterans to help them along the way.

 

Sure, you can draft a bunch of young guys and bank on them improving and all of them hitting it big, kind of like Seattle. But as Gus and Dave are finding out, its not as easy to build a team with majority of them being young guys. Caldwell has to dip into the cap next season, or both him and Gus will be on a very hot seat. Blake is getting over 10 games this season to get experienced, same with the OL and the WRs. Another 4 win season next year won't save Gus/Dave even if Blake proves to be the franchise QB we've been looking for.

 

Anything short of 8-8 would be a failure next year.

 

It took JDR and Shack two seasons to rebuild (although TC did leave them with cornerstone DTs, the depth on that team was depleted) and take us to 9-7, then 12-4 before the lack of production from the 1st rounders took its toll.

 

Gene Smith, despite letting go of some of the draft busts and aging veterans from Harris' regime...still finished 7-9 in 2009. That's 3 more wins in one season than the Gus/DC regime has had in 1.5 seasons. A year after that, Gene "Smiff"'s team managed 8 wins before the lack of stars (and the failure of Gabbert) doomed him (along with JDR and Wayne being lame ducks).

 

Think about that. For as bad as Shack/Gene + JDR combo were, to this point they have vastly outperformed Gus/Dave.

 

This regime MUST turn it around next season or that will be it for them...

 

In general, there is a theme to why the TC Jags and the Shack/Gene Jags failed...failure of draft picks to develop. TC startred out great before taking some wild swings and missing. Shack's 1sts were horrible but his 2nd/3rd rounders got him a competitive team. Gene's 1sts were even worse, and his 2nd/3rd rounders weren't as good, so his team fell apart.

 

The same will happen to Dave if his draft class doesn't step up. So far Blake looks like the only true "star" in the making. Cyp looks solid, and so does A-Rob, while Luke looks like an even worse LT than the guy he is replacing.

 

God that 2005 12-4 Jags team feels like a lifetime ago.

 

Still the best Jags team record post Brunell.

 

It wasn't good enough to win the division because of you know who and it also wasn't good enough to win a playoff game because of the other you know who.

 

Just goes to show the Jags luck, they actually finish a season 12-4, and because of 2 sure-fire 1st ballot HOF QBs they not only don't win the division, they go 0-1 in the playoffs. UGH!!!!!!!!!

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I believe this sums up exactly what a lot of Jags fans are feeling so far this season.

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I can see Shad doing this around 3:45pm every Sunday

What will Shad be thinking next Sunday when there are 15k Browns fans at the game?

Quote:What will Shad be thinking next Sunday when there are 15k Browns fans at the game?

and the jags get beaten by 3 scores

Quote:It's obvious 99% of this isn't trolling.


Trolling is the act of purposely trying to get people upset by conveying an idea that you yourself may not agree on.


People aren't trolling. They are legitimately frustrated and upset that this franchise has fallen to where it is today.


Just because someone has a differing opinion than your own doesn't make them a troll. At this point you can almost guarantee that someone calling another a troll actually means you have no counter argument. I've done it myself. Doesnt make it right.

 

Pointing out trolling is the delusional Jaguar fan's coping and defense mechanism.  It's the internet version of 'whistling through the graveyard'.  IMO.