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Quote:This. Although there are things he's said and done that could promote discontent.

 

Since when is it illegal to promote discontent?   If promoting discontent is illegal, then we are all going to jail. 

Quote:Since when is it illegal to promote discontent?   If promoting discontent is illegal, then we are all going to jail. 

 

It's only illegal when you're a liberal trying to stir up the liberal base.

 

When it's "second amendment remedies" then it's all good.

Quote:Since when is it illegal to promote discontent? If promoting discontent is illegal, then we are all going to jail.

Is it really appropriate for the Attorney General to be promoting discontent?

Quote:Is it really appropriate for the Attorney General to be promoting discontent?

 

Well, we seem to have worked our way down from shooting him, to discussing whether he is doing something "inappropriate."   Sanity is slowly returning. 

 

You ask a good question.   I don't know if he's promoting discontent, and I'm not sure whether it would be appropriate or not.   I don't think it would be illegal. 

 

That said, I think every attorney general has the same problem- they lack independence.  They are too loyal to the President who appoints them, and who is usually a long time friend.  Griffin Bell, Ed Meese, Bobby Kennedy.   The Attorney General almost never has any real independence, so asking him to investigate his own administration is usually pointless.   And by the time his term is up, his political opponents want to put him in jail. almost ALWAYS.  

Quote:Since when is it illegal to promote discontent?   If promoting discontent is illegal, then we are all going to jail. 

 

Is that acceptable behavior? At what point does incidental behavior become the standard-of-practice unbecoming of the position?

 

This is the top-law enforcement official in the United States, and he obstructed Congress' investigations. He attempted to give a foreign terrorist the rights afforded to us through our Constitution. He seized the AP's phone records on the guise of homeland security, and he still monitors reporters of opposing political philosophy (James Rosen). He lied about Fast & Furious when he told Congress that he only knew about the program for a "few weeks". In reality, he knew about it for at least 6 months. Aside from those, he refuses to enforce some laws and completely disregards others. 

 

He's exhibited, what I feel to be, unquestionably illegal behavior in the obstruction of investigations conducted by Congress. If he's willing to do that, there's no doubt in mind that he's hiding a lot more. 

 

He's supposed to be the epitome of professionalism. Think about what we expect from someone like teachers, doctors, police, and other public-service careers. His lying and behavior should not have been tolerated. 

Quote:Is that acceptable behavior? At what point does incidental behavior become the standard-of-practice unbecoming of the position?

 

This is the top-law enforcement official in the United States, and he obstructed Congress' investigations. He attempted to give a foreign terrorist the rights afforded to us through our Constitution. He seized the AP's phone records on the guise of homeland security, and he still monitors reporters of opposing political philosophy (James Rosen). He lied about Fast & Furious when he told Congress that he only knew about the program for a "few weeks". In reality, he knew about it for at least 6 months. Aside from those, he refuses to enforce some laws and completely disregards others. 

 

He's exhibited, what I feel to be, unquestionably illegal behavior in the obstruction of investigations conducted by Congress. If he's willing to do that, there's no doubt in mind that he's hiding a lot more. 

 

He's supposed to be the epitome of professionalism. Think about what we expect from someone like teachers, doctors, police, and other public-service careers. His lying and behavior should not have been tolerated. 

 

I don't argue that some of those may be legitimate complaints, worthy of discussion.   I just don't think the guy should be "shot for sedition."   That is what brought me into this thread- that statement. 

 

IF--   IF your allegations about Holder are true, and I'm not saying they are or they aren't, then this is not unusual.     THIS IS PAR FOR THE COURSE.    It happens under democratic and republican administrations. 

 

During the George W. Bush administration Alberto Gonzales resigned under a cloud "in the best interests of the [Justice]  department." 

 

Ronald Reagan's attorney general Ed Meese resigned under investigation by a special prosecutor. 

 

The problem is that Presidents usually appoint their best, most loyal friend to be Attorney General. 

Quote:I don't argue that some of those may be legitimate complaints, worthy of discussion.   I just don't think the guy should be "shot for sedition."   That is what brought me into this thread- that statement. 

 

IF--   IF your allegations about Holder are true, and I'm not saying they are or they aren't, then this is not unusual.     THIS IS PAR FOR THE COURSE.    It happens under democratic and republican administrations. 

 

During the George W. Bush administration Alberto Gonzales resigned under a cloud "in the best interests of the [Justice]  department." 

 

Ronald Reagan's attorney general Ed Meese resigned under investigation by a special prosecutor. 

 

The problem is that Presidents usually appoint their best, most loyal friend to be Attorney General. 

 

I see but I'm not arguing for him to be shot.

 

Aside from that, being the expected behavior shouldn't be the acceptable behavior. 

 

All of them seem to have their issues, but Holder is on a new level of incompetence. Either way, I don't care which party puts them in there, if they show the ineptitude that Holder has then they need to be kicked out sooner rather than later.

"They all do it" doesn't make it right....

Quote:"They all do it" doesn't make it right....

 

I didn't say it did.   I'm just trying to add a little historical perspective.  

Quote:I didn't say it did.   I'm just trying to add a little historical perspective.

Which is a fancy way of making excuses.

Quote:Which is a fancy way of making excuses.

 

 

I repeat, all I'm trying to do is add a little bit of perspective.   I am neither a liberal nor a conservative.   I (think I) hold no political dogma.   Is everything black and white these days?   Do we all have to want to shoot the other side?   Can we not have a little bit of perspective about these politicians and their problems?  

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for Eric Holder.   If you see an excuse in anything I've said, that's up to you.   All I am trying to say is, this stuff has been going on since the days of George Washington.   If you want to change it, there will have to he a systemic change.   Throw Eric Holder in jail, it will mean nothing, because it will happen again, no matter who is in power.  

 

Plus, It is not received wisdom that Eric Holder is a criminal.   That is debatable.   He has not been charged with any crime that I know of.   I am not saying yes or no, I am saying it is debatable.  

 

Again, "I wish he had been shot for sedition" was what  brought me into this thread.   But just because I object to that ridiculous statement, that doesn't mean I think he's innocent of anything.   I am taking a position in the middle and I am defending that position.   I know that throws people off, because all they see on TV and all they hear on the radio these days is liberal vs conservative as if that's all that exists. 

Still waiting for him to be replaced.  It's been over a month.  

Quote:Anyone notice that under the header of this forum it says to keep politics relevant to sports? Is that new, or have I just not been paying attention?



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Holder is a putz and I'm glad he's leaving.

 

It was included by an admin in hopes things would stay in that general context. It is not a directive, obviously, or this forum would have been shut down the day it was created.

Quote:It was included by an admin in hopes things would stay in that general context. It is not a directive, obviously, or this forum would have been shut down the day it was created.

Yeah...not many ways to talk about sports and politics together! Lol

Quote:Yeah...not many ways to talk about sports and politics together! Lol

 

I agree.  Political discussion is healthy in my opinion.  When related to sports, all I have to say is Government and politics should stay out of it.

Quote:I agree.  Political discussion is healthy in my opinion.  When related to sports, all I have to say is Government and politics should stay out of it.

Exactly!

Quote:It was included by an admin in hopes things would stay in that general context. It is not a directive, obviously, or this forum would have been shut down the day it was created.

I had the same question and had hesitated after re-reading that about posting in here for fear of getting more warnings..

 

I'm a bad boy but, don't want to throw it all away!