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Quote:Think about the audience you're talking to. I wouldn't characterize too many as "forward thinking" or anything close to that. They will move on to their next [BLEEP] group chant next week. Then again, it may take longer than that. Football is complex, and the general bibber is fairly simplistic. They will spend a couple weeks with an open, blank stare, as they collectively seek their newest simplistic target of their ire.
 

Dakota, you need to stop hating on the people that you are replying to.  You realize that you're being a total hypocrite, right?

 

You would have no one to be bitter over if everyone believed exactly as you do.

 

 

So therefore, lighten up!  Stop being just a curmudgeon!!!
I think having Blake in for the offense is our biggest savior to our defense that is physically worn down every game. That said, they still have to get a lot better. That is where our proven talent is and the inability to stop the "easy" plays up the middle and dink and dunk passes just shred us way too easily.

This team has never covered the Tight End well.

i blame the scheme and the fact that everyone knows exactly what we are going to do

when we got pass rush with a 4 man rush ie against phili it works because it's a prevent scheme, the idea is to get the qb to throw quickly to the check down in front of you, come up and stop them

when you don't the rest of the time it doesn't especially when the offense knows your in cover 3 and that there will be pockets in behind the linebackers and on the corner routes

hence why we get screwed by tight end seam routes as the tight end has time to get in behind the lb sit down and wait for the ball. add if you cant even come up and make the tackle on a prevent scheme your going to be screwed

genuinely not sure what has happened there... perhaps exhaustion or trying to do to much  knowing you have to provide the spark for the offense so going for the strip rather than just wrapping up... overpersuing when gap disciple is needed?

 

i am also a little worried about this otto position(which i may be misunderstanding but as far as i see it) that we are running as i think it leaves us vulnerable to the cut back on run plays with a lot of rbs escaping out the back door. I believe the problem is instead of running the 4-3 we normally ran we now really run practically a 5-2 which is all very well if they run to the strong side but if they cut it back it leaves you a problem as it leaves poz clemons and hayes/ smith having to seal  4 gaps between them.

 

With the richardson run poz had two gaps to seal with no help especially as the play action was keeping our safeties honest so cyp couldn't come down in support. he commited to one gap and richardson cut back into the other

 

i genuinely thing all our problems could be solved with more variety on defense

i worry our youth in the secondary and our lack of an earl thomas style free safety is keeping our playbook too simple and making our defense repetitive and predicatable, which experienced qbs will simply pick apart

Quote:The D on the field too much?

The Colts scored on the first six possessions. Guess they were wore out from warm ups.


^^This.


I completely agree that the defense gets gassed by a lack of offense.

But,,,

In the past two games, opposing offenses have easily marched up the field on their first few possessions during the 1st qtr.


That early in the game,, I'm not laying the blame on an inept offense. Surely the defense is not gassed in the middle of the 1st qtr.


The defense is already starting games terrible. Then, it gets even worse as they do actually get gassed later.
Ok I think the "no rest side" is valid however, that doesn't cover the not getting off the field on 3 rd downs or being abysmal in the middle of the field. I think the poor offense play leads to the blow out scores more than actual losses. If your offense is matching score for score then your team can still be in the game, but when you can't even get out from the shadow of your own goal post things will go south quick, also giving a player like Luck that many opportunities he will score.
I'm actually not worried about the pass rush. Though it was an off day, I think we'll be OK there, especially if we can give them a lead every now and then.


The constant holes in the secondary we've had for the past 6 years are mind-numbing. But if its just a case of experience, that should start to improve as the season progresses.
We need to go back to basics. Whatever scheming we're trying to do is lost with our players. Missed assignments and constantly out of position.

Our defensive scheme is simple, have each defender stay in his zone and watch as the receivers catch passes between them. The Jags have been executing the scheme perfectly all year.

The thing that I've been concerned with goes all the way back to the Reggie Bush touchdown. Now, I don't know all the intricacies of how defensive philosophies, techniques, assignments and such. But it seems to me that a defense where one false step causes an 87 yard TD, that may not be the defense to play. I've never heard of a defense that needs to be executed perfectly in order to function, and if not done to perfection you give up huge chunk plays and 119 points in 3 weeks.

Quote:The thing that I've been concerned with goes all the way back to the Reggie Bush touchdown. Now, I don't know all the intricacies of how defensive philosophies, techniques, assignments and such. But it seems to me that a defense where one false step causes an 87 yard TD, that may not be the defense to play. I've never heard of a defense that needs to be executed perfectly in order to function, and if not done to perfection you give up huge chunk plays and 119 points in 3 weeks.
 

The Panthers D got destroyed yesterday by plain old power rushing up the middle. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you scheme, the players are better. Sometimes, like with our seam/zone problems you have to try something else because the weakness is too great. Sometimes you don't have a few pieces needed to be effective, or you don't have the right pieces making plays. In our case it's probably a bit of all of it.
Quote:Dakota, you need to stop hating on the people that you are replying to.  You realize that you're being a total hypocrite, right?

 

You would have no one to be bitter over if everyone believed exactly as you do.

 

 

So therefore, lighten up!  Stop being just a curmudgeon!!!


Someone took a [BLEEP] in his cheerios or maybe he's feeling like Marqise Lee's starting to bust?
Quote:I can tell when a team plays like they don't care. The haven't cared. I'm hoping they choose to play with faith again.
See this I don't agree with.

 

Clearly they weren't effective yesterday, but in this case, ineffectiveness is not to be confused with a lack of effort or ambivalence.  I saw good effort defensively, even when the game was in the second half and out of hand.
This defense is broken, our FA signings have not worked out. 

The reason is either they're not buying into the system, or they're just bad players that were let go for a reason.

 

It's a system wide breakdown.

 

It is very concerning.

Quote:See this I don't agree with.


Clearly they weren't effective yesterday, but in this case, ineffectiveness is not to be confused with a lack of effort or ambivalence. I saw good effort defensively, even when the game was in the second half and out of hand.
You could be right. I'm rewatching the game now. I saw a strong defensive effort in the begining. As the game wore on the poor mechanics came into play. Maybe is was fatigue but I'm not seeing a lack of execution early.


To me it looks like guys just lost their fire. Like I said I could be wrong. But the game was close in the first half and the offense went three and out twice. They are playing against a top 6 qb. It just appears that they saw the direction this game was going.


Could they have made some plays. Yeah I guess so but even if they did, the offense wouldn't have did anything with it.


I'm just don't think the defense is the problem with this team.
If you want an answer to "Can someone explain our defense?" I would ask The Eagles, The Redskins, and the Clots... Apparently they know our defense pretty well.

The Colts play more ball control. Different from the other teams we played this year. They limited the possessions we had. Then once they got up they dropped the bombs.


They were on the feild for 12 of the 15 first quarter minutes. That is crazy. The offense went three and out way to much. I'm fine with moving the ball 40 yards then puntting the ball but we aren't even doing that. These boys were gassed very early.
How much of the Defense woes falls on Gus Bradley?  I mean he's in his 2nd year as the Jaguars HC, just like Chip Kelly is on the Eagles.  I dont expect our offense to be as good as the Eagles seeing how Chip Kelly is an Offensive Guru, but shouldnt our Defense be at least in the top 15 with a Defensive Guru like Gus Bradley?


After seeing the coaching part of it, 3 weeks into the 2nd year... im really starting to get concerned about Gus as a head coach....

i mean i know the team doesnt have the same talent that the Eagles had but come on...

being 32nd in both offense & defense at week 3 of your 2nd year... a huge part of that falls on the HC especially miss tackling...

Quote:How much of the Defense woes falls on Gus Bradley? I mean he's in his 2nd year as the Jaguars HC, just like Chip Kelly is on the Eagles. I dont expect our offense to be as good as the Eagles seeing how Chip Kelly is an Offensive Guru, but shouldnt our Defense be at least in the top 15 with a Defensive Guru like Gus Bradley?


After seeing the coaching part of it, 3 weeks into the 2nd year... im really starting to get concerned about Gus as a head coach....

i mean i know the team doesnt have the same talent that the Eagles had but come on...

being 32nd in both offense & defense at week 3 of your 2nd year... a huge part of that falls on the HC especially miss tackling...


The eagles did have a stacked roster when Chip took over. Gus did come to a barren wasteland for a roster.
Part of the problem is Cyprien.  He's not turning out to be Ed Reed like he was projected to be.

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