Why do we already have 10 players on IR and one on NFI (Aaron Colvin) before the first regular season game? I thought David Caldwell was better than Gene Smith was at deciding who to declare out for the year. Also, my understanding was Colvin suffered a football injury, so it seems he is on the wrong list.
Quote:Why do we already have 10 players on IR and one on NFI (Aaron Colvin) before the first regular season game? I thought David Caldwell was better than Gene Smith was at deciding who to declare out for the year. Also, my understanding was Colvin suffered a football injury, so it seems he is on the wrong list.
The injury that Aaron Colvin suffered didn't occur in the NFL. Hence, it's considered a NFI.
Colvin's injury was suffered in college, so it doesn't count as a "football injury" for the NFL's purposes.
As for the other guys, they're hurt to the point that Caldwell doesn't believe they'll be sufficiently recovered to help this year, or they're going to miss a significant amount of time and Caldwell doesn't want them taking up a roster spot.
Quote:Colvin's injury was suffered in college, so it doesn't count as a "football injury" for the NFL's purposes.
As for the other guys, they're hurt to the point that Caldwell doesn't believe they'll be sufficiently recovered to help this year, or they're going to miss a significant amount of time and Caldwell doesn't want them taking up a roster spot.
On the other hand Willis McGahee was put on IR for his rookie year after tearing up his knee at the Fiesta Bowl, so the NFL must have changed its rule about that.
I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
McGahee was probably put on IR because he would be out the season. Colvin is allowed to come back in week six and by week 9 they'll decide whether to put him on the active roster or IR.
If a player has future potential, I would rather see him on IR than released.
Quote:If a player has future potential, I would rather see him on IR than released.
Nah, better to start threads with completely false ideas about the whole concept than to actually trust the Front Office to "DO YOUR JOB!!!!!!!"
Quote:On the other hand Willis McGahee was put on IR for his rookie year after tearing up his knee at the Fiesta Bowl, so the NFL must have changed its rule about that.
I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
They just recently changed the rules about 2-3 years ago. It used to be if a player was placed on IR, they were done for the year. Now, they changed it to a player can be activated after week 8. It also has roster spot implications. I think it has more to do with Caldwell knowing how to bend the rules to hold onto an extra guy without cutting players.
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I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
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Is there a limit to how many can be put on IR?
Quote:Is there a limit to how many can be put on IR?
If I understand it correctly, your total roster is 90 players when the off-season starts. As you make cuts it goes down to 53 for your active roster. You add your 10 practice squad guys to you final roster and it makes 63 players. So in essence you have 27 IR spots that can be used.
There is a limit but I believe it's lower than 27.
Quote:There is a limit but I believe it's lower than 27.
No there is no limit but they count against the cap. Back in the day before the salary cap, teams used to stash an unlimited amount of guys on IR because they were able to pay them. Teams like Dallas did this so they constantly were able to signed hurt guys, let them rehab and reap the benefits a year or two later. Now due to the cap, it kind of polices itself because a team like the saint who at very close of the max can not afford to pay 10 guys a full season salary on IR. It does benefit teams like the Jags who are well under the cap though because we can afford to pay players like Colvin and Doss their full salary.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/7/18/59...49ers-2014
Hopefully Caldwell takes full advantage of these loop holes to get our team back on track. It seems he is already using some of these methods now.
Quote:On the other hand Willis McGahee was put on IR for his rookie year after tearing up his knee at the Fiesta Bowl, so the NFL must have changed its rule about that.
I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
Do you honestly think Caldwell didn't consult the training staff before making any decisions on these players? Seriously?
Quote:I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
You really think he didn't? If Doss was going to be back in two weeks, it might have made sense to just keep him on the active roster. If he's going to be out until week eight, it probably makes more sense to shut him down and have him available next season than to carry dead weight on the roster for half the season in hopes that he can contribute late in the year.
Quote:They just recently changed the rules about 2-3 years ago. It used to be if a player was placed on IR, they were done for the year. Now, they changed it to a player can be activated after week 8. It also has roster spot implications. I think it has more to do with Caldwell knowing how to bend the rules to hold onto an extra guy without cutting players.
Colvin's on reserve/NFI, not IR-Return. IR-Return can only be applied to a single player per season, whereas (apparently, I didn't know this until Colvin) a player on reserve/NFI can be activated after a set amount of time if they're healthy.
Quote:If I understand it correctly, your total roster is 90 players when the off-season starts. As you make cuts it goes down to 53 for your active roster. You add your 10 practice squad guys to you final roster and it makes 63 players. So in essence you have 27 IR spots that can be used.
Pretty sure the in-season limit is 80, not 90, for a total of 17 players on reserve lists. I know that reserve/retired doesn't count against the 80, and I doubt that reserve/suspended or reserve/left squad do, but the various health-related reserve lists definitely do. I recall Coughlin bumping into this limit in his later years here, and having to release guys from IR and run with five guys on the practice squad.
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Quote:If I understand it correctly, your total roster is 90 players when the off-season starts. As you make cuts it goes down to 53 for your active roster. You add your 10 practice squad guys to you final roster and it makes 63 players. So in essence you have 27 IR spots that can be used.
Where did you get the number 27 from?
Quote:On the other hand Willis McGahee was put on IR for his rookie year after tearing up his knee at the Fiesta Bowl, so the NFL must have changed its rule about that.
I hope Caldwell talked to team doctors before making the decisions for some of those players. From what people were saying in a thread about wide receivers, Doss isn't hurt that bad.
Really? Are you 12?