Numerous "big" receivers line up in the slot.
It tends to create mismatches. The slot isn't a "speed and shifty" only position.
Quote:I bet one busts, one is plagued by injuries, and the other turns into a really solid starter for us. Who becomes who I do not know. But the odds all three turn into really good productive players is unlikely just based on the odds.
I'll take a stab at it.
Lee Busts
Robinson is always injured.
Hurns is a solid receiver for us.
I mean... going off preseason so far lol
Quote:Someone better let Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh know this.
Quote:You beat me to it!
lol.....Jim Harbaugh's receivers in SF are all nothing more than average anyway,
Quote:lol.....Jim Harbaugh's receivers in SF are all nothing more than average anyway,
So you don't line big WRs up in the slot unless they aren't any good? What are you trying to say?
And smaller guys can line up outside as well...
Brown (Pitt) is listed as 5'10 just shy of 190.
He lines up all over for Pitt.
Quote:lol.....Jim Harbaugh's receivers in SF are all nothing more than average anyway,
The <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-orleans-saints'>Saints</a> are foremost among these teams. Both Marques Colston and <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108518/jimmy-graham'>Jimmy Graham</a> ran around half of their routes from the slot last year. <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1728/anquan-boldin'>Anquan Boldin</a>, <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1741/larry-fitzgerald'>Larry Fitzgerald</a>, and <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2944/brandon-marshall'>Brandon Marshall</a> were slot receivers over 40% of the time. The same went for fifteen tight ends.
Oh... and TMDs "boy" Chip Kelly....
he plans to use Jordan Matthews in the slot...
he's 6'3 212
Quote:And smaller guys can line up outside as well...
Brown (Pitt) is listed as 5'10 just shy of 190.
He lines up all over for Pitt.
The Saints are foremost among these teams. Both Marques Colston and Jimmy Graham ran around half of their routes from the slot last year. Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, and Brandon Marshall were slot receivers over 40% of the time. The same went for fifteen tight ends.
Yep. Like I said, someone better tell Sean Payton he's been doing it all wrong. Colston and Graham from the slot and guys like Lance Moore and Kenny Stills outside.
Our very own Justin Blackmon operated out of the slot quite a bit too.
I wonder if it's "lol" for him too? :whistling:
Quote:Oh... and TMDs "boy" Chip Kelly....
he plans to use Jordan Matthews in the slot...
he's 6'3 212
Maybe on occasion. That said I saw him lineup up outside predominantly over most of the preseason.
I've never understood why you wouldn't want a stud receiver in the slot position. It's the easiest pass catcher to move pre-snap and it can give Defenses fits in trying to match up to him, especially since it's really hard to jam someone who is a yard off of the line.
The argument (for me anyway) isn't so much against using big guys in the slot on its own...
Its using big guys in the slot and then lining up smallish outside WR's on the ends. To me that makes no sense. As another poster said, you want bigger, physical WR on the outside to win contested one on one battles and jump balls.
If all of your WR are generally bigger, then it doesn't really matter that you have a big guy in the slot, now would it?
Quote:Maybe on occasion. That said I saw him lineup up outside predominantly over most of the preseason.
You mean when he was running with the 2's? Sure, I'm sure a rookie got a lot of work everywhere. Didn't Maclin miss a preseason game or two also?
Come real game time Chip Kelly was quoted as saying Matthews would be slot, Cooper and Maclin outside.
Like a top.... lol
Quote:The argument (for me anyway) isn't so much against using big guys in the slot on its own...
Its using big guys in the slot and then lining up smallish outside WR's on the ends. To me that makes no sense. As another poster said, you want bigger, physical WR on the outside to win contested one on one battles and jump balls.
If all of your WR are generally bigger, then it doesn't really matter that you have a big guy in the slot, now would it?
Antonio Brown is small and lines up outside.
You want the big target in the slot for the mismatch.
Our point is there isn't really a rule one way or other.
You keep putting Welkers in the slot... they'll keep getting concussed. Bet that.
Quote:Antonio Brown is small and lines up outside.
You want the big target in the slot for the mismatch.
Our point is there isn't really a rule one way or other.
You keep putting Welkers in the slot... they'll keep getting concussed. Bet that.
Bingo Bango Bongo.
Quote:Antonio Brown is small and lines up outside.
Brown and Steve Smith are the exceptions not the norm.
Quote:Brown and Steve Smith are the exceptions not the norm.
No they aren't.
Exceptions mean there is a rule... and there is no rule.
They are two examples... and if I really felt like it I'm sure I could dig through the internet to find more examples of smaller receivers playing outside and being successful. But you have the point to prove not me.
Wide receivers can, will, and do, line up all over the field. Outside, left, right, slot, second slot..... hell even the back field.
You try to create mismatches against the D.
It isn't like corners are big guys... so you don't really NEED an extra 4-6 inches of height. Does it help? Sure. But WRs and pass catching TEs can, and do, line up all over.
Your skills and the defenses you face decide where the coaches put you. Not your height, weight, age, etc.
Antonio Brown is definitely an exception. Short and slight being able to get off the jam consistently is very rare. Steve Smith is short not small, he is as physical as anyone. Marqise is legit small, and I haven't seen anything that he has done anything (in college either) that would make anyone think he will be able to get off a jam and then beat a corner deep or make a contested catch downfield while covered.
Damn I thought Lee couldnt beat anyone deep. Whelp
Quote:Damn I thought Lee couldnt beat anyone deep. Whelp
Yeah, he looks pretty good. He needed this game for my sanity. Not because I didn't think he'd be any good, but because I didn't want to hear people moan about him
Regardless of height, an outside receiver needs to be able to beat the press, so whether it's by technique, speed, or physicality he has to get into his route. Slot receivers inherently work in space so it's not as much of an issue.