Quote:I only skimmed over the first few paragraphs, but from what I read the report aligns with my experiences from people I know across several generations. I definitely have to sit down and read this over. Interesting stuff.
The people that teach the brats to be wonderful people (in their leftist/liberal paradigm) turn around and publish evidence that the brats turn out as wonderful people (when they act like leftists/liberals). Yep, I'm convinced.
Quote:The people that teach the brats to be wonderful people (in their leftist/liberal paradigm) turn around and publish evidence that the brats turn out as wonderful people (when they act like leftists/liberals). Yep, I'm convinced.
With a little help from the media (this was e-mailed to me. I'm lazy and only verified the connections of the ABC and CBS Presidents, but no doubt the others are accurate, too). Must be nice having a bat phone to some of the largest media outlets in the world. I'd laugh if the joke wasn't on the American people. ***I'm not suggesting the republicans were any better while in office. I'm sure they had/have their own unethical links to the media (my laziness prevents me from researching).
ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama's National Security Adviser.
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CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.
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ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to Jay Carney, Obama's White House Press Secretary
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ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama's Deputy Press Secretary
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ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood Obama's Special Adviser
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CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to Tom Nides former Deputy Secretary to Hillary Clinton
Quote:The people that teach the brats to be wonderful people (in their leftist/liberal paradigm) turn around and publish evidence that the brats turn out as wonderful people (when they act like leftists/liberals). Yep, I'm convinced.
This is why it's often useless to post sources and studies on message boards. People like you will disregard everything and anything that doesn't already fit their already held world view.
Quote:That still doesn't answer my question.
I'm not saying that younger generations are less intelligent. I'm saying they're less informed, and that's by design. They're being conditioned to be less curious and to ask fewer questions. Critical thought is being replaced by group think.
You said there was all this evidence to the contrary. You threw that out there. Back it up with facts. Not a blanket "read some history" nonsense.
Quote:Cool. I see you've joined TMD and Eric in the conspiracy theory club. It's so much easier that way. Just chalk it up to "them".
Well, good luck with that. I guess you'll go with the theory that you're less critical than your Dad's generation and your kids are less critical than you. Of course you have avoided all this - it's just those "others" who don't have this great insight that you possess.
Looks like that bar stool next to TMD is now occupied.
Quote:A republican complaining about groupthink? That's mind-blowing to me considering the fantastical bubble of "reality" you all have managed to encapsulate yourselves in.
Republican Politicians = Moral Authority
Scientists = Liars
Infotainment = Knowledge
If your only source for opinions are republican mouthpieces, it's not surprising to me that you've fallen prey to the groupthink, but to think someone else is the true victim is hard to understand.
In regards to people who don't singularly subject themselves to the republican talking points, there is actually a bevy of information at our finger tips via the internet, which has only been around since Clinton or so. People are more informed than ever. It's what we are seeing that makes us apathetic. We can see how politicians work for themselves and their defense contractor buddies but not the average American. We turn away from it because it disgusts us.
So what we have today are either people who buy the republican lie (you) or everyone else. The "progressives" and "liberals" and everyone else who votes democrat are people looking for a political home. There are no precise talking points like you have coming from the right. We just want people to act like people.
I'll offer a non-scientific analysis that illustrates exactly what FBT is describing. This comes from someone that is probably not your "average conservative" and in fact, I would bet that he is a registered Democrat. That being said, he is someone who I admire and look up to, him being none other than Steve Wozniak. Just do a google search on what he has to say regarding public education. While a lot of what he has to say deals more along the lines of math and science, I believe that it applies to every bit of "education" that children get in today's society.
Quote:I'll offer a non-scientific analysis that illustrates exactly what FBT is describing. This comes from someone that is probably not your "average conservative" and in fact, I would bet that he is a registered Democrat. That being said, he is someone who I admire and look up to, him being none other than Steve Wozniak. Just do a google search on what he has to say regarding public education. While a lot of what he has to say deals more along the lines of math and science, I believe that it applies to every bit of "education" that children get in today's society.
I attended a conference last week where this subject came up. I'm doing some research on the topic because they provided a ton of supporting material that shows how the learning curve has not only flattened out, but actually has declined over the past 20 years or so. It supports my point completely, and it's a study that was done by a liberal think tank, not some conservative publication.
What's interesting about the current trend is that we're dumbing down an entire generation or two of future leaders, but we're pandering to them telling them how smart they are, and how entitled they are. We're manufacturing generations of faux intellectuals. That's not to say there aren't smart kids, but the system is designed to combat them at every turn. If you look at how curriculum in school has changed over the past, say 40 years, the emphasis has changed from focusing on the core (Reading, Writing, Mathematics, and Science), you can see a correlation between the changes and the grades kids are getting. We're no longer the world leader in any of the critical areas, and because of that, we're losing ground to countries like India and China when it comes to advancing new technologies.
People sit here complaining about outsourcing, but they're perfectly content to continue sending their children to public schools where common core is more and more prevalent. They don't question or challenge the kids. They teach them convoluted logic. But most importantly, they don't teach them the critical skills that are required to succeed in life.
I will pull together the information when I have some time and post it here because it was an interesting and terrifying analysis of where we're headed as a nation based on the quality of public education we're putting out there for our kids. Parents should be outraged, and many are, but not enough to truly force change. There is a wave starting to grow that could change that, but it doesn't address what is almost a lost generation.
Quote:This is why it's often useless to post sources and studies on message boards. People like you will disregard everything and anything that doesn't already fit their already held world view.
"People like you" hmmmm? Actually, I'm probably one of the more open minded people you'll meet, but I have little regard for the professional education and research systems that I spent considerable time working in because I understand their motivations. In fact, the last four current events/political science books I've read have been by noted lefties Sunstein, Zeke Emmanuel, and Hitchens, and I didn't automatically disregard their views, but that doesn't mean that I agree with all that they write either. My father suffers from the Echo Chamber effect, I try to avoid his example by exploring the reasons why lefties think so much differently than I do rather than just reinforcing my own beliefs by never giving them due consideration or only reading after that which confirms my own biases. But, you know, if you disgaree then you're one of "them."
Quote:I attended a conference last week where this subject came up. I'm doing some research on the topic because they provided a ton of supporting material that shows how the learning curve has not only flattened out, but actually has declined over the past 20 years or so. It supports my point completely, and it's a study that was done by a liberal think tank, not some conservative publication.
What's interesting about the current trend is that we're dumbing down an entire generation or two of future leaders, but we're pandering to them telling them how smart they are, and how entitled they are. We're manufacturing generations of faux intellectuals. That's not to say there aren't smart kids, but the system is designed to combat them at every turn. If you look at how curriculum in school has changed over the past, say 40 years, the emphasis has changed from focusing on the core (Reading, Writing, Mathematics, and Science), you can see a correlation between the changes and the grades kids are getting. We're no longer the world leader in any of the critical areas, and because of that, we're losing ground to countries like India and China when it comes to advancing new technologies.
People sit here complaining about outsourcing, but they're perfectly content to continue sending their children to public schools where common core is more and more prevalent. They don't question or challenge the kids. They teach them convoluted logic. But most importantly, they don't teach them the critical skills that are required to succeed in life.
I will pull together the information when I have some time and post it here because it was an interesting and terrifying analysis of where we're headed as a nation based on the quality of public education we're putting out there for our kids. Parents should be outraged, and many are, but not enough to truly force change. There is a wave starting to grow that could change that, but it doesn't address what is almost a lost generation.
The biggest thing that I see that stands out is, children are taught to come up with the same answer on standardized tests, but aren't taught or allowed to question it. They need to come up with the "right" answer using only the "right" way to solve it. They aren't allowed to analyze a problem and come up with a solution on their own.
The same goes for college students. I see it every day in my job. A young engineer fresh out of college isn't interested in finding a solution to a problem, he/she is more interested in generating flow charts and discussing theory. When and if they do come up with a "solution", it's usually not very practical in the real world.
The bottom line is students today aren't trained or allowed to ask the question "why" and they sure are not allowed to ask "what if"?
Quote:"People like you" hmmmm? Actually, I'm probably one of the more open minded people you'll meet, but I have little regard for the professional education and research systems that I spent considerable time working in because I understand their motivations. In fact, the last four current events/political science books I've read have been by noted lefties Sunstein, Zeke Emmanuel, and Hitchens, and I didn't automatically disregard their views, but that doesn't mean that I agree with all that they write either. My father suffers from the Echo Chamber effect, I try to avoid his example by exploring the reasons why lefties think so much differently than I do rather than just reinforcing my own beliefs by never giving them due consideration or only reading after that which confirms my own biases. But, you know, if you disgaree then you're one of "them."
You're still disregarding everything in the post without presenting anything to back up your own claims that millennials are "brats", so regardless of what your motivations for disregarding are, you are amongst the kind of people that make it incredibly pointless to post anything other than anecdotes (which are actually even less relevant) in online discussions. I've got no problem with you disagreeing, but I do have a problem with people who disagree without any substance.
Quote:You're still disregarding everything in the post without presenting anything to back up your own claims that millennials are "brats", so regardless of what your motivations for disregarding are, you are amongst the kind of people that make it incredibly pointless to post anything other than anecdotes (which are actually even less relevant) in online discussions. I've got no problem with you disagreeing, but I do have a problem with people who disagree without any substance.
I thought this was germane.
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My point is that there's plenty of leftist discussion about the concept of "nudge", rewarding young numb skulls for making that choices their tutors want them to make. That's what we're seeing in these resources you post, happy successful tutors who've rewarded their proteges` by telling how wonderful they are when they do what the tutor wants. Ring the bell and dogs start salivating for their rewards, even if the fruit of the rewards are poison to our way of life.
Quote:I thought this was germane.
My point is that there's plenty of leftist discussion about the concept of "nudge", rewarding young numb skulls for making that choices their tutors want them to make. That's what we're seeing in these resources you post, happy successful tutors who've rewarded their proteges` by telling how wonderful they are when they do what the tutor wants. Ring the bell and dogs start salivating for their rewards, even if the fruit of the rewards are poison to our way of life.
As long as you keep these "arguments" from devolving into useless shouting matches, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It's a way to broaden your own views if handled appropriately. The ability to have these discussions or arguments is one of the many beautiful things about the Internet. If it weren't for the Internet, I wouldn't have the slightest clue that you even exist, with it I can exposed to your ideas.
How do you show that your claims aren't just your bias showing through? Just as my biases likely causes me to think highly of my own generation (perhaps higher than I should), your biases likely influence your view that there isn't anything of substance in the link I provided. Perhaps there is some truth to what you're saying, but you're still failing to provide anything other than anecdotal evidence and as you should know, anecdotal evidence should not be used to judge 80 million people.