Quote: Why shouldn't white people and people of all races have more say?
My point is the goal should be that race doesn't matter. People should be viewed by their actions, not their race.
It sure would be nice for the American people in general to have more of a say wouldn't it?
Quote: Would you classify for example Buddhism and Hinduism the same way?
Sure. A "race of people" can be determined by nationality, tradition, religion, culture, location.
Obviously, the debate over this can't happen here beyond the politics of the discussion.
Another example, perhaps less controversial than the JDL, is B'nai B'rith. Non-violent, dedicated to the cause of promoting a race of people. Is that so wrong?
Quote:Well, good for the black panthers. Whether they are to poll or not, I hope they did scare some old white folks off. It'd only be fair. Republicans pollsters use scare tactics and flyers with the wrong date on them, etc in low income districts.
How is that attitude in any way, shape, or form productive in this discussion?
There's enough misinformation coming from both sides of the aisle in an attempt to disenfranchise certain voting blocs. To condone it for one as payback is just idiotic. Nobody should be disenfranchised if they're eligible and registered to vote.
To say you're okay with the threat of violence against "old white folks" smacks of the same kind of racist, bigoted thinking that you're trying to extract from others.
It's this mindset that perpetuates the problems this society has in general with race.
Quote: Would you classify for example Buddhism and Hinduism the same way?
I would not classify any religious entity as a race. There are Jews of many races including Arab Jews. There are Hindus and Buddhists who are also of races other than Indian or Asian descent.
Jews in Israel and elsewhere are not under constant assault because of their race.
Quote:It sure would be nice for the American people in general to have more of a say wouldn't it?
It sure would. It was the intentions of the founding Fathers and Mothers of this country for the people to have more of a say. Hopefully, the day will come when this happens again.
Quote:Sure. A "race of people" can be determined by nationality, tradition, religion, culture, location.
Obviously, the debate over this can't happen here beyond the politics of the discussion.
Another example, perhaps less controversial than the JDL, is B'nai B'rith. Non-violent, dedicated to the cause of promoting a race of people. Is that so wrong?
I see where you are coming from with ' a race of people' but we can agree to disagree.
B'nai B'rith is another organization that is involved in many causes that branch out into overall society. I'll say this about B'nai B'rith. You as someone who supports what are considered Liberal Causes agree with their positions much more than I do. That's an understatement!
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I would not classify any religious entity as a race. There are Jews of many races including Arab Jews. There are Hindus and Buddhists who are also of races other than Indian or Asian descent.
Jews in Israel and elsewhere are not under constant assault because of their race.
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We are in agreement.
Quote:It sure would. It was the intentions of the founding Fathers and Mothers of this country for the people to have more of a say. Hopefully, the day will come when this happens again.
Agreed.
What is truly frustrating is the fact that people are convinced that you can't have dissension in opinions in this country. They are all looking for this bipartisan fantasy that everyone gets along. This nation has been living with political squabbles for as long as the country existed, and even before that. Only 1/3 of the country supported declaring independence from Britain, so it's not like we've ever had this political harmony. It's GOOD to have differing opinions on any topic, whether we're talking about fiscal or social issues. That's what built this country. Today, if you disagree with an issue, you're labeled a racist, or some other hate tag, or you're accused of hate speech. When did it become the norm for people to believe that it's written somewhere in the constitution that they have freedom from being offended? I must have missed that amendment in my American Government classes.
Quote:It sure would. It was the intentions of the founding Fathers and Mothers of this country for the people to have more of a say. Hopefully, the day will come when this happens again.
Money is in the way, need to get money out of politics before we can ever hope for that.
Just something to ponder for a bit. Which side of the political spectrum is quick to identify people not only by race, but sexual orientation, religion, age, income, gender, etc.? Which side places people into groups? Is it the same side that is supposedly "tolerant" and "all inclusive"?
Quote:Well, good for the black panthers. Whether they are to poll or not, I hope they did scare some old white folks off. It'd only be fair. Republicans pollsters use scare tactics and flyers with the wrong date on them, etc in low income districts.
Well, good for the KKK. Whether they are to poll or not, I hope they did scare some old black folks off. It'd only be fair. Democrat pollsters use scare tactics and flyers with the wrong date on them, etc in high income districts.
If someone said the above, how offended would you be? Would you feel like you weren't being treated right? Feel like someone owes you something? [BAD WORD REMOVED] off.
Quote:Guess what, they are racist too. Doesn't make it any better.
Huh?
Quote:Well, good for the KKK. Whether they are to poll or not, I hope they did scare some old black folks off. It'd only be fair. Democrat pollsters use scare tactics and flyers with the wrong date on them, etc in high income districts.
If someone said the above, how offended would you be? Would you feel like you weren't being treated right? Feel like someone owes you something? [BAD WORD REMOVED] off.
I've not heard too much about the dems doing that but I have seen those tactics used by unscrupulous republicans. I'm white, btw.
Good for the Black Panturds in intimidating voters? Because whitey did that before so it's fair play?
Let's live in the past shall we? Hey, let's BBQ a bunch of Germans because they did that. Let's go scalp some injuns cuz they did it too.
Let's enslave whitey, he did the same thing. crucify some Jews because they were responsible for Jesus getting the nail gun.
It would only be fair.
Something seriously wrong with that logic.
What's that old saying about two wrongs?
Quote:Jews in Israel and elsewhere are not under constant assault because of their race.
So, in that case, secular Jews in Nazi Germany were never threatened. I bet that eased their fears.
Quote:Judiasm is not a race, Jews are a race of people. Definitions of "race" are not limited to groupings of people by skin color.
Ehh more of an Ethnicity than a race. They were initially a family, that spread, along with their beliefs. However, that makes me wonder, what exactly is a Race anyway...slippery slope...
Quote: Would you classify for example Buddhism and Hinduism the same way?
I would, they believe in something. That's about it.
Quote:It sure would be nice for the American people in general to have more of a say wouldn't it?
No doubt. You need to start multinational, billion dollar corporation, then you can have a place at the table.
Quote:Just something to ponder for a bit. Which side of the political spectrum is quick to identify people not only by race, but sexual orientation, religion, age, income, gender, etc.? Which side places people into groups? Is it the same side that is supposedly "tolerant" and "all inclusive"?
The same folks who started the KKK and most of these other hate groups. The Democrats...
No Justice, no peas!
Quote:So, in that case, secular Jews in Nazi Germany were never threatened. I bet that eased their fears.
I'm fairly certain the Jews who were abused, tortured and murdered in Germany weren't selected for their race.
The Black Panthers and the NAACP are no better than the KKK.. Jesse (False Prophet) Jackson and Al (False Prophet) Sharpton, are current modern day Grand Wizards.. We don't live in a country anymore where The Panthers and NAACP aren't needed as this country is desegregated. These ongoing organizations are no longer helping the black race, instead they're promoting racism, and the ignorance of the black race that backs these organizations are fueling their fire..
Quote:Just something to ponder for a bit. Which side of the political spectrum is quick to identify people not only by race, but sexual orientation, religion, age, income, gender, etc.? Which side places people into groups? Is it the same side that is supposedly "tolerant" and "all inclusive"?
ha, aint that the truth... ^^^ :thumbsup:
Quote:Just something to ponder for a bit. Which side of the political spectrum is quick to identify people not only by race, but sexual orientation, religion, age, income, gender, etc.? Which side places people into groups? Is it the same side that is supposedly "tolerant" and "all inclusive"?
I'm pondering...pondering...pondering...coming up with nothing. Which side wants to tell who can and cannot get married? Which side wants to dictate what goes on inside a woman's body?
You republicans sound like pyschopaths how hypocritical you are.
Quote:I'm pondering...pondering...pondering...coming up with nothing. Which side wants to tell who can and cannot get married? Which side wants to dictate what goes on inside a woman's body?
You republicans sound like pyschopaths how hypocritical you are.
Way to try and spin it without looking at the answer to my question. Based on my responses in this forum, where would you place me? Old white guy? Rich white guy? Religious white guy? What group would you place me in?