How about Georgia Tech and comparing them to say.....Kentucky. Similar experiences for the most part on the field, but with Tech, you are walking away with a great education.
He's argueing apples and oranges just for the fun of it.
I dont get it.... is No. 25 the best opportunity... I mean UNC doubled Floridas record last year... This is confusing.
I'm not sure I'd put UF at #1. I guess that's considering it may be open this fall?
It's a hot seat. Win or you're out.
Quote:How about Georgia Tech and comparing them to say.....Kentucky. Similar experiences for the most part on the field, but with Tech, you are walking away with a great education.
He's argueing apples and oranges just for the fun of it.
Agree. There's absolutely nothing program-wise to gain from one over the other. It's the education that's the significant differentiator.
Quote:Agree. There's absolutely nothing program-wise to gain from one over the other. It's the education that's the significant differentiator.
Yup, playing in 4 straight BCS bowl games is on par with what Oregon St. has been doing.
Quote:He's the one who pointed that fact out, and now he's too old to remember? He's the one who admitted to it possibly being a bad example too, and you piggy backed on that.
Some people here are incredible.
Quick question:
Right now, which football program is better and provides football players a better chance at competing at a national level:
Oregon St. or
Stanford
Is it a coin flip? Not so much. Right now and in recent history, Stanford's football program trumps Oregon St.'s and it isn't close. That was my point, but others seem to think differently. I'm getting the vibe that pirkster (though I think he is a great poster) doesn't follow the college game.
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Is it a coin flip? Not so much. Right now and in recent history, Stanford's football program trumps Oregon St.'s and it isn't close. That was my point, but others seem to think differently. I'm getting the vibe that pirkster (though I think he is a great poster) doesn't follow the college game.
I wasn't going to respond to this anymore because it feels like a waste of my life but for the love of God. I don't know if you just aren't comprehending the overall point of this conversation or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. But yes we all get it. We all know Stanford has been a very good program since the year 2010 or whenever. No one has said otherwise. But the from the years 1890-2009 they've been an average college football program. And the whole point of this was the struggle academic schools have had in recruiting. And Stanford, for 110 years, will land a big recruit every now and then but for the most part have historically struggled bringing in talent. Just like Northwestern. Just like Duke. Just like Vandy. And it always begs the question, for those 110 years, why any kid would choose the likes of Oregon St or Minnesota or NC State or Miss St over a much better academic institution. But routinely those smarter schools couldnt beat out average football programs in recruiting.
Alright I'm over this.
Yes, that is a great point you make and I don't disagree with it. I just think Vanderbilt and Northwestern are better examples than Stanford in lieu of Stanford's recent success.
Quote:Yup, playing in 4 straight BCS bowl games is on par with what Oregon St. has been doing.
That's out of line with what they've done in the past, and what one would expect them to do in the near future.
If you can't see that, then you're being more than willfully ignorant.
Quote:That's out of line with what they've done in the past, and what one would expect them to do in the near future.
If you can't see that, then you're being more than willfully ignorant.
You think Stanford is just going to fall off the map?
Their 2012 class (now juniors and red-shirt sophomores) was ranked #5 in the country by Rivals.
Their 2013 class was small, but ranked 17th overall in terms of average star rating.
Their 2014 class is ranked #14 overall.
They are also ranked #11 in the country in the 2014 preseason coaches poll.
I'm not saying that Stanford is on the level of Alabama, Ohio St., or any of the elite programs right now. Going forward, though, they are most definitely in the next tier down and should compete for a Pac 12 championship year in and year out. Oregon St., not so much.
Quote:Yes, that is a great point you make and I don't disagree with it. I just think Vanderbilt and Northwestern are better examples than Stanford in lieu of Stanford's recent success.
So you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone else here understood what he was trying to say, but you wanted to nit pick.
There are a handful of posters here that argue just for the fun of it....it really hurts your credibility.
Quote:You think Stanford is just going to fall off the map?
Their 2012 class (now juniors and red-shirt sophomores) was ranked #5 in the country by Rivals.
Their 2013 class was small, but ranked 17th overall in terms of average star rating.
Their 2014 class is ranked #14 overall.
They are also ranked #11 in the country in the 2014 preseason coaches poll.
I'm not saying that Stanford is on the level of Alabama, Ohio St., or any of the elite programs right now. Going forward, though, they are most definitely in the next tier down and should compete for a Pac 12 championship year in and year out. Oregon St., not so much.
Stanford has had a lucky run with coaches....they've been really good. They can't accept every athlete that say USC or Oregon will. In time that will hurt them.
Quote:So you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone else here understood what he was trying to say, but you wanted to nit pick.
There are a handful of posters here that argue just for the fun of it....it really hurts your credibility.
All I did was ask a question with my initial post. If he would have left it at "that was probably a bad example", I would have been fine. Instead he took a personal shot and then another poster came in and started saying Stanford football = Oregon St. football (which is a joke). 10 years ago? Sure. Now? No. Harbough built a program and I don't expect the program to crap down their leg any time soon.
Quote:Stanford has had a lucky run with coaches....they've been really good. They can't accept every athlete that say USC or Oregon will. In time that will hurt them.
He didn't compare Stanford's
current football program to USC or Oregon. If that was the example, I wouldn't care as much. He compared them to Oregon fricken' State implying that the only benefit to playing for Stanford over Oregon St.
right now is education. That's far from accurate.
Quote:He didn't compare Stanford's current football program to USC or Oregon. If that was the example, I wouldn't care as much. He compared them to Oregon fricken' State implying that the only benefit to playing for Stanford over Oregon St. right now is education. That's far from accurate.
I'm not implying it, I'm outright saying it.
If you disagree, fine. That won't change my stance.
I'm not really concerned with Stanford football 10 or 20 years ago, because we are talking about right now. Right now Stanford is coming off back to back Pac 12 Championships and is currently ranked 11th in the country. If you think Oregon St.'s program is on par with that, then you're ignorant, stupid, or just don't follow college football.
Jim Harbough turned Stanford's program around. Open your eyes.