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Quote:I couldn't bring myself to vote for a guy who thought strapping a dog in a crate to the roof of his car was an acceptable idea.

But he had an abundance of business sense. 

Quote:Our reaction to 9/11 still infuriates me.  That so many went along so willingly is the scary part.  9/11 was carried out by Saudis and people from Yemen trained by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, yet we try to colonize Iraq.  You wanna talk about waste, look at the billion dollar embassy we built in Baghdad, by far our most expensive, which could be overrun if ISIS keeps on their pace.  To speak out against that war meant you were "unpatriotic."  I hate that we sent soldiers to fight that farce of a war.

 

You do understand that Iraq was really about violating UN sanctions, and had nothing to do with 9/11, right? 

 

I thought it was idiotic to say it was unpatriotic to speak out against that war, but the same people who felt unfairly targeted for doing so then are the very ones who call anyone who opposes the comical foreign policies of the current administration unpatriotic, or worse, racists, for voicing opposition to dear ruler's mismanagement. 

Quote:9/11 happened followed by a nice depression, Bush cut taxes (actually a good thing) while starting two wars without a means to pay for them. The IT bubble bursting didn't help either.

 

The IT bubble bursting began under the previous administration, but landed on Bush's plate.  Unlike this administration, the mess he inherited he took ownership of.  I lived through that burst, and worked in the industry as companies were folding left and right because they had done IPOs, sold tons of stock, and inflated the market based on zero actual product.  A good portion of the companies that drove the IT bubble burst never produced anything other than stock certificates and a concept. 

 

Lack of accountability is one of the bigger issues I have with the current administration.  They take no blame for anything bad that has happened, even if it happened on their watch.  It's either Bush's fault, or a "do nothing congress".  Harry Truman had the plaque on his desk saying "The buck stops here.".  If Obama had a plaque on  his, it would quote Bart Simpson, "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!"

Quote:I almost did.   I was very enthusiastic when he first started out, because he was talking about the most important thing that none of the other candidates wanted to address- the health of our government finances.   The deficit!!!!! 

 

But then he got more and more weird and I just....   couldn't do it.   

 

He was a classic one-issue candidate.  He was clueless on every other issue. 

 

 

Remember his choice for VP??....Stockdale??....

 

I remember watching the debates with him. It was disturbingly uncomfortable. 

Quote:You do understand that Iraq was really about violating UN sanctions, and had nothing to do with 9/11, right?


I thought it was idiotic to say it was unpatriotic to speak out against that war, but the same people who felt unfairly targeted for doing so then are the very ones who call anyone who opposes the comical foreign policies of the current administration unpatriotic, or worse, racists, for voicing opposition to dear ruler's mismanagement.

Iraq was about oil. Don't kid yourself. We had the backing of the world and instead of going after the guys who did it, we used it as an excuse to get a guy out of power we didn't like at incredible cost.

Quote:But he had an abundance of business sense.

Just not for the businesses he claimed to be helping.

As someone who considers myself as a Conservative Republican,  I voted for Ross Perot in 1992.   It was the 4th Presidential Election I voted in and the first time I didn't vote for the Republican Candidate.   There was no way I would vote for Bill Clinton and there was no way I was going to vote for George H. Bush again.   Bush 41 was a lying RINO,   who surrounded himself with some horrific advisors.   While Perot had very little chance of winning after he dropped out of the race before re-entering and what TMD touched on regarding his VP choice,  it didn't matter to me.   It was picking poison between Bush 41 and Clinton.  

 

If the Republicans foolishly nominate ultra RINO Chris Christie in 2016,  I'm planning on voting for a 3rd party candidate or writing in someone.  

Quote:I couldn't bring myself to vote for a guy who thought strapping a dog in a crate to the roof of his car was an acceptable idea.

 

Which furthers my argument about the bias of the mainstream media in this country.  How diligent of them to dig up this relatively minor little tidbit about Romney, meant solely to invoke emotional reaction to override reason (it's confirmed to have worked in at least one case), while their examinations of Obama's past read more like factional biopics.  

Quote:Which furthers my argument about the bias of the mainstream media in this country. How diligent of them to dig up this relatively minor little tidbit about Romney, meant solely to invoke emotional reaction to override reason (it's confirmed to have worked in at least one case), while their examinations of Obama's past read more like factional biopics.

I assure you, this lapse in judgment was not the only reason he didn't get my vote.

Quote:Which furthers my argument about the bias of the mainstream media in this country.  How diligent of them to dig up this relatively minor little tidbit about Romney, meant solely to invoke emotional reaction to override reason (it's confirmed to have worked in at least one case), while their examinations of Obama's past read more like factional biopics.  

 

I think Romney actually started the story.  After all, he and his family were the only witnesses.   Then, during the primary, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum played it up.   After that, the democrats used  it over and over and over. 

 

I wouldn't blame this on the "mainstream media" as much as I would on Romney's opponents, both republicans and democrats. 

Quote:Iraq was about oil. Don't kid yourself. We had the backing of the world and instead of going after the guys who did it, we used it as an excuse to get a guy out of power we didn't like at incredible cost.

 

No, Iraq was about Bush 43 and the neocons feeling invincible after helping the Northern Alliance take over Afghanistan, and Bush 43 wanting revenge on Saddam Hussein for trying to assassinate Bush 41.   So they cooked up a story about weapons of mass destruction to scare everyone into going along with it. 

 

And I agree, it was one of the most expensive mistakes in recent history.  It probably cost us 3 or 4 trillion dollars, and now we wish we had Saddam Hussein back in power. 

Quote:Remember his choice for VP??....Stockdale??....

 

I remember watching the debates with him. It was disturbingly uncomfortable. 

 

That was one of the things that gave me pause about voting for Perot: no one was willing to run with him.  That was a red flag. 

Quote:No, Iraq was about Bush 43 and the neocons feeling invincible after helping the Northern Alliance take over Afghanistan, and Bush 43 wanting revenge on Saddam Hussein for trying to assassinate Bush 41.   So they cooked up a story about weapons of mass destruction to scare everyone into going along with it. 

 

And I agree, it was one of the most expensive mistakes in recent history.  It probably cost us 3 or 4 trillion dollars, and now we wish we had Saddam Hussein back in power. 

 

Yeah, those fake WMD did a number on those Kurds.

Quote:Yeah, those fake WMD did a number on those Kurds.

Yeah those thousands of dead bodies didn't exist either I suppose.

 

I have always wondered why WMD's are only considered to be chemical/radiological types of devices. if you ask me a well armed, extremely large military  force such as existed in Iraq that is controlled by a complete madman is a WMD and should be destroyed.

The Kurds were and still are being targeted there. There just weren't WMDs. It was Chemical Ali.

The Kurds were gassed by chemical weapons supplied to Hussein by the Regan administration.


I'm more of a socialist then anything, but I'd actually vote Christie. As of right now, Hillary has my vote.

Quote:The Kurds were gassed by chemical weapons supplied to Hussein by the Regan administration.

I'm more of a socialist then anything, but I'd actually vote Christie. As of right now, Hillary has my vote.

 

That pretty much says it all right there.

I did not vote for Ross Perot, but I do a very good imitation of his voice.

Quote:That surplus Clinton created is sounding pretty good around now.  Where exactly did that go again?

 

 

I do give him credit for going against his party and signing the bill that his Congress created.  But let's not pretend it was his idea.

1992 was the only year I didn't vote.

 

That will never happen again.