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Quote:I totally agree. I think Drob will be Jags number 2 Rb and I also wouldn't be surprised if Todman gets released. Beau Blankenship could knock Todman off roster.

Funny stuff.

Quote:MOJO is going to get as many carries as Gerhart. 

 

Only way that happens is if Gerhart goes out for an extended period of time with an injury.  Time to move on.

Quote:Same with the Jags...

 

No.  The Jags don't have to face the 49ers, Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, Patriots,  Denver 2X, KC 2X and SD 2X like the Raiders have to.  

 

The Jags play in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL and then play 2 of the other weakest divisions in the NFC East and AFC North.   The Texans, Titans, Browns, Redskins, Steelers and Giants aren't blowing out anybody by halftime. 

My money is on gerhart. Mojo has had injury problems the last two years and I think that will continue. The addition of lee and robinson along with shorts, sanders/d. Rob. will force defenses to respect the passing game more which bodes well for gerhart. The problem with gerhart is that, I think the jags will us both todmen and storm johnson regularly. I watched some of johnson's games while he was at ucf and imo he's going to be good. However, the most important factor is that oakland plays a harder schedule:

 

Oakland:

jets, texans, patriots, dolphins, bye, chargers, cards, browns, sea hawks, broncos, chargers, chiefs, rams, 49ers, chiefs, bills, and broncos

 

Jags:

eagles, redskins, colts, chargers, steelers, titans, browns, dolphins, bangles, cowboys, bye, colts, giants, texans, ravens, titans, and texans

 

oakland plays a lot of teams with good defenses. Mojos best games will probably be dolphins, browns, chiefs, and bills but the rest of those teams have though defenses and i know the chiefs had a good d last year but i think they lost a couple of playmakers on that side of the ball. On the other hand, gerhart should do well verses those teams with weaker defenses. Especially that cowboy game. Imo, I think the only games where the jags will struggle running the ball will be the texans games, the ravens, and the titans. Gerhart should do well in the rest of the games.  

Quote:My money is on gerhart. Mojo has had injury problems the last two years and I think that will continue. The addition of lee and robinson along with shorts, sanders/d. Rob. will force defenses to respect the passing game more which bodes well for gerhart. The problem with gerhart is that, I think the jags will us both todmen and storm johnson regularly. I watched some of johnson's games while he was at ucf and imo he's going to be good. However, the most important factor is that oakland plays a harder schedule:

 

Oakland:

jets, texans, patriots, dolphins, bye, chargers, cards, browns, sea hawks, broncos, chargers, chiefs, rams, 49ers, chiefs, bills, and broncos

 

Jags:

eagles, redskins, colts, chargers, steelers, titans, browns, dolphins, bangles, cowboys, bye, colts, giants, texans, ravens, titans, and texans

 

oakland plays a lot of teams with good defenses. Mojos best games will probably be dolphins, browns, chiefs, and bills but the rest of those teams have though defenses and i know the chiefs had a good d last year but i think they lost a couple of playmakers on that side of the ball. On the other hand, gerhart should do well verses those teams with weaker defenses. Especially that cowboy game. Imo, I think the only games where the jags will struggle running the ball will be the texans games, the ravens, and the titans. Gerhart should do well in the rest of the games.  

 

The only notable player the Chiefs lost on defense was Ty Jackson.  They replaced him with a similar player in Vance Walker to 2 gap at LDE on base and occasionally nickel rush inside.   They added (yet another) pass rusher in Dee Ford in the draft in the first round.  

 

As long as they have Poe manning the 0 tech and clogging 3 gaps, the Chiefs will defend the run extremely well. 

Quote:Am I the only one on here that thanks MOJO will have more rushing and total yards than Gerhart will this year... this of course is barring injury for either one of them that cost them several games or more...

 

Discuss...

On one hand you have a situation where the Raiders say Maurice Jones-Drew will be the backup running back and might get the opportunity to split the carries during regular season.  They want to know if he can overcome his injury and age to return to his ProBowl form from a couple years ago and be the leading rusher or close to it.   Maurice has already proven to the league that he is an excellent running back (plus receiver, blocker, special teams player, etc), the only question is how much is left in his tank.

 

When it comes to Toby Gerhart the Jaguars have only said that he will be the work horse thus giving him many opportunities to surpass MoJo this year (at least) in rushing yards should he live up to the hype.  He has fresh legs unlike Mojo, but doesnt have the fame nor has he proven himself to be a Star week to week, year to year like Mojo has. 


I feel it will be a closely watched race if nothing else than by Jaguar fans interested to see Mojo still be successful even if not on our team (as long as we arent playing against the Raiders)!  That being said to even compare Toby to Mojo is a good sign of the confidence in the coaches, the media & fans in his ability to produce Mojo type numbers this year (not last years injury year for mojo).

Quote:My money is on gerhart. Mojo has had injury problems the last two years and I think that will continue. The addition of lee and robinson along with shorts, sanders/d. Rob. will force defenses to respect the passing game more which bodes well for gerhart. The problem with gerhart is that, I think the jags will us both todmen and storm johnson regularly. I watched some of johnson's games while he was at ucf and imo he's going to be good. However, the most important factor is that oakland plays a harder schedule:

 

Oakland:

jets, texans, patriots, dolphins, bye, chargers, cards, browns, sea hawks, broncos, chargers, chiefs, rams, 49ers, chiefs, bills, and broncos

 

Jags:

eagles, redskins, colts, chargers, steelers, titans, browns, dolphins, bangles, cowboys, bye, colts, giants, texans, ravens, titans, and texans

 

oakland plays a lot of teams with good defenses. Mojos best games will probably be dolphins, browns, chiefs, and bills but the rest of those teams have though defenses and i know the chiefs had a good d last year but i think they lost a couple of playmakers on that side of the ball. On the other hand, gerhart should do well verses those teams with weaker defenses. Especially that cowboy game. Imo, I think the only games where the jags will struggle running the ball will be the texans games, the ravens, and the titans. Gerhart should do well in the rest of the games.  

 

I never said the Raiders didn't have the harder schedule... the Raiders play against Cards who were 1st against the run last year... plus they play against the no.3 (Jets), 4th (49ers) and a tie for the 7th spot with the Seahawks and Broncos who were both ranked 7th against the run... that's going to be tough for any back... but MOJO is splitting carries, barring injury, and he should be fresher not having to be the feature back every down like Gerhart...

 

Both play the same four teams this year... Dolphins (24th against the run), Chargers (29th), Browns (18th) and the Texan, who the Jags play twice (23rd)... to me those games could be a even in strength against the run for both teams...

 

We might get an early preview as how this is going to play out... the Raiders open up with the 3rd toughest team, against the run, the Jets while the Jags play the 10th best team against the run the Eagles... 

 

You say the Raiders play the Chiefs and list them as a hard game for MOJO... the Chiefs were 22nd against the run last year...

 

All of this is based on last years stats...I don't think we can go on just that because every team has changed by losing players and adding players... I still think MOJO will be the fresher of the two as the season wears on... Gerhart has never had to be the featured back where he's carried the load in the NFL... we don't know if he can or can not do it just yet... like I said...I think it will be interesting watching it play out...

MJD is going to be a backup in Oakland.

 

Gerhart is going to get the bulk of the touches at RB this year for the Jags.  I have a feeling it's not even going to be close. 

Quote:MJD is going to be a backup in Oakland.

 

Gerhart is going to get the bulk of the touches at RB this year for the Jags.  I have a feeling it's not even going to be close. 

 

You might be right... but splitting carries he's going to be fresher and barring injury should come on strong in the second half of the season... I still don't know and I don't think you do either, if Gerhart can carry a full load in the NFL... he's never had to do it and the closer he goes to reaching 250+ carries... the season will have taken a toll on him by being the featured back... again...we shall see...

Quote:You might be right... but splitting carries he's going to be fresher and barring injury should come on strong in the second half of the season... I still don't know and I don't think you do either, if Gerhart can carry a full load in the NFL... he's never had to do it and the closer he goes to reaching 250+ carries... the season will have taken a toll on him by being the featured back... again...we shall see...

 

With the severity of the injuries MJD has suffered in recent years, I don't really see a fresh MJD even with split carries. 

 

Nobody was sure whether MJD could carry the load when he took over for Taylor.  He did just fine.  I suspect the same will be true with Gerhart. 

Quote:With the severity of the injuries MJD has suffered in recent years, I don't really see a fresh MJD even with split carries. 

 

Nobody was sure whether MJD could carry the load when he took over for Taylor.  He did just fine.  I suspect the same will be true with Gerhart. 

 

We all seen flashes from MOJO his first couple of years with the Jags to see he did have to potential of becoming a good/.great RB in the NFL... His first year he carried the ball 166 times for 941 yards and his longest run was 74 yards... second year he carried it 167 times for 768 yards... Gerhart has not played enough or flashed enough to get a good feel for him.. his first two years combined he carried the ball 190 times for a total of 853 yards... MOJO had that many yards in his first season on 24 less carries...

 

I'm not saying that Gerhart can't come in here and be a good/great RB... he's just never showed the kind of flash that MOJO did, early on, to make me think he can do it...  do I hope can...you bet I do... but I just wanted to know what people thought about it...

I don't think that will happen. Shouldn't happen... 

Quote:We all seen flashes from MOJO his first couple of years with the Jags to see he did have to potential of becoming a good/.great RB in the NFL... His first year he carried the ball 166 times for 941 yards and his longest run was 74 yards... second year he carried it 167 times for 768 yards... Gerhart has not played enough or flashed enough to get a good feel for him.. his first two years combined he carried the ball 190 times for a total of 853 yards... MOJO had that many yards in his first season on 24 less carries...

 

I'm not saying that Gerhart can't come in here and be a good/great RB... he's just never showed the kind of flash that MOJO did, early on, to make me think he can do it...  do I hope can...you bet I do... but I just wanted to know what people thought about it...

 

But the same concerns did exist when he took over because he hadn't been the guy.  Gerhart has provided the same kind of flashes in Minnesota when spelling Peterson.  We won't know for sure what he can do as the primary back until he takes that role on this year with the Jags. 

I honestly think Mojo's touches and yards are more depenent on how McFadden recovers from his injury.

Quote:But the same concerns did exist when he took over because he hadn't been the guy.  Gerhart has provided the same kind of flashes in Minnesota when spelling Peterson.  We won't know for sure what he can do as the primary back until he takes that role on this year with the Jags. 

 

Maybe you are seeing flashes in Gerhart I've not see... I've watched a bunch of his highlight films and I just don't see it... again...not saying that you have seen it and I missed it... I've not seen the break-away speed MOJO had compared to Gerhart... sure Gerhart has the ability to make a defender miss...so did MOJO... after that, Gerhard doesn't have the next gear that MOJO had... that's what I'm comparing this too...plus MOJO had to face 8-9 men in the box to run against because of no passing game... I don't think, from what I've seen, Gerhart has had to face what he's going to face this year from teams that doesn't respect the Jags passing game...

 

Again, I think it will be interesting to watch it play out...

Mojo hasn't been the same since he hurt is knee 3 years ago.  He gutted that 1600 yards out averaging 8o plus yards per game.  He never regained the exposivness he had early in his career.  When you look back on the year he had the rushing title he had just a few games over 100 yards and very few long break away runs.

Quote:Maybe you are seeing flashes in Gerhart I've not see... I've watched a bunch of his highlight films and I just don't see it... again...not saying that you have seen it and I missed it... I've not seen the break-away speed MOJO had compared to Gerhart... sure Gerhart has the ability to make a defender miss...so did MOJO... after that, Gerhard doesn't have the next gear that MOJO had... that's what I'm comparing this too...plus MOJO had to face 8-9 men in the box to run against because of no passing game... I don't think, from what I've seen, Gerhart has had to face what he's going to face this year from teams that doesn't respect the Jags passing game...

 

Again, I think it will be interesting to watch it play out...

 

When I'm saying I've seen flashes, that doesn't mean I've seen him take off like Fred Taylor.  To be fair, MJD hasn't been explosive in any way other than his belt size over the past few years.  The knee injury and subsequent microfracture surgery took any burst he might have had away, and he's never been the same back since.  He's not going to magically improve this year because those wheels are teetering on the edge of being done.  Toss in the Lisfranc injury, and he's literally a one legged back. 

 

When I talk about Gerhart flashing, I'm talking about with his ability to make plays.  He's not going to run away from anyone, but he's got a sense for making plays when called upon.  He's a different style back from MJD, so flashes mean something different.  But, he's also a very reliable receiver out of the backfield, and he's a solid blocker. 

 

I see MJD showing up in Oakland with the same conditioning issues he had here, and I see him getting somewhere around 700 yards rushing if he stays healthy.  Gerhart will top that by the end of the year. 

Quote:Maybe you are seeing flashes in Gerhart I've not see... I've watched a bunch of his highlight films and I just don't see it... again...not saying that you have seen it and I missed it... I've not seen the break-away speed MOJO had compared to Gerhart... sure Gerhart has the ability to make a defender miss...so did MOJO... after that, Gerhard doesn't have the next gear that MOJO had... that's what I'm comparing this too...plus MOJO had to face 8-9 men in the box to run against because of no passing game... I don't think, from what I've seen, Gerhart has had to face what he's going to face this year from teams that doesn't respect the Jags passing game...


Again, I think it will be interesting to watch it play out...

I've watched some video of him too and the thing that took me by surprise is his burst. I kind of had him pegged as this big power back without much speed. He is a big guy but he has a great burst through the line. He is actually morr like Fred Taylor than MJD although obviously he is not to Freddie's level. I read somewhere that coaches were even commenting about being surprised by his quickness. I am a little concerned about hom staying healthy given that he hasn't had to be the primary ball carrier since college, but as you say, we'll see.

Quote:I've watched some video of him too and the thing that took me by surprise is his burst. I kind of had him pegged as this big power back without much speed. He is a big guy but he has a great burst through the line. He is actually morr like Fred Taylor than MJD although obviously he is not to Freddie's level. I read somewhere that coaches were even commenting about being surprised by his quickness. I am a little concerned about hom staying healthy given that he hasn't had to be the primary ball carrier since college, but as you say, we'll see.

The same concerns existed with MJD when he took over for Fred, both because he had not been the primary back, and because of the style of running.  We did okay there, and I'm sure Gerhart will probably be fine.