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Quote:Lol I talk about Alualu in Alualu threads. Is there a problem in that?

Not at all. It's your schtick. Keep pushing that agenda.

Quote:Who was better?  One name will suffice.  I'll wait when you work your way back from a failed redirect.

As a DT? Leger Dousable.

 

As a 5 Tech? Jeremy Mincey.

 

That was hard.

 

Alualu can thank the lord Jermey Mincey cant show up to meetings.

Quote:Not at all. It's your schtick. Keep pushing that agenda.

Yup, having 0.38 average post per day is a great way to push an agenda, dweeb.

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There has been three separate regimes that deemed him worth keeping on the roster. the current regime has showed zero problem with making cuts. They do not support the idea of cutting him at this time apparently. He does not need to make " excuses."

 

This is not a persuasive argument.

 

First off, JDR had a year and 3/4 with Alualu, who was drafted before the new CBA that instituted a rookie wage scale.  Even if Alualu induced projectile vomiting from JDRs entire staff with his weekly impression of a speed bump, once Alualu signed, from a cap standpoint it would have been difficult to cut him within that time-even assuming Gene Smith ceded personnel power to him, and that's even with all of the cap room the team had.

 

Secondly, Mularkey wouldn't have had the power to cut him, either.  Gene Smith sold Khan on the idea the team wasn't far from contention.  Khan deferred to Smith on that point, even though the team was nowhere close.  Even if Smith suddenly gained the ability to properly evaluate talent, he wasn't going to cut a guy he just drafted 10th overall just two seasons earlier.  It would put him in an even worse position with Khan.

 

Finally, when Caldwell and Bradley got here, their task was to completely overhaul the roster.  They weren't going to do it all in one year, and you can bet there are players still on the roster from the Smith era who may get cut this year, and certainly won't be around for the 2015 season.

 

Think about it.

 

An annual tradition on this board is for some people to see a thirty something year old big name released, and urge the team to sign him.  As sure as the sun rises in the east, this is followed by hordes of people rejecting the idea immediately, citing the free agent's age.

 

Bryant is 30 years old, having just been released by the Seahawks.  Alualu is three years younger.  When Bryant signed here, there were few, if any, who didn't see him as an upgrade over Alualu despite his age.  Now this 30 year old street free agent (yes he was a street free agent because he was released) is a virtually automatic upgrade over Alualu, who is in his prime?!?

 

If Aluau were truly "good," irrespective of draft status or whether he lived up to the draft status, this wouldn't happen.

Quote:As a DT? Leger Dousable.

 

As a 5 Tech? Jeremy Mincey.

 

That was hard.

 

Alualu can thank the lord Jermey Mincey cant show up to meetings.

 

Lol Alualu is a bust and you use Leger Dousable as the person thats better than him?  Alualu has put up better stats and has played better every year than Dusable.

 

You just proved you are out of touch and cant see straight when it comes to Alualu.

Quote:This entire Alualu series of threads remind me of trying to please the impossible customer.

 

M'am if we refund your money 1000%, give you the product brand new free of charge, shoot the salesperson who sold you the product, hang his supervisor, flog the store manager and sell his children into slavery, bomb the factory that made the product and erradicate all the supplier's will that satisfy you?

 

No matter what Tyson Alualu does in the future, some folks will scream for his head, lable him a BUST and will never be satisfied that Gus did not, (insert rant above)

He has not lived up to expectations, not even close for some folks. I can think of much bigger dissapointments from the first round.

 

HeadSlap

 

The impossible customer?  Really?

 

Expecting Alualu, as the 10th overall pick, to play better than the 8th-10th best DT in our team's 19 seasons on field is not being realistic?

 

If he produced a Stroud...shoot in shape Knighton caliber season for the Jaguars (assuming he makes the team), I'd be happy.

 

But that isn't likely.

Quote:The impossible customer?  Really?

 

Expecting Alualu, as the 10th overall pick, to play better than the 8th-10th best DT in our team's 19 seasons on field is not being realistic?

 

If he produced a Stroud...shoot in shape Knighton caliber season for the Jaguars (assuming he makes the team), I'd be happy.

 

But that isn't likely.

 

People in this thread label him a bust.  Can you give me your example of a bust?

 

My examples would be guys like Matt Jones, Ray Jay Soward, Hugh Douglas in Jax......Alualu has consitently been on the field and has made some good plays.  How is that a bust?

Quote:Lol Alualu is a bust and you use Leger Dousable as the person thats better than him?  Alualu has put up better stats and has played better every year than Dusable.

 

You just proved you are out of touch and cant see straight when it comes to Alualu.

Ugh.

 

Alualu started for 5 years, id hope hed have better stats. Oddly the same stats you Alualu apologist say we cant use in judging him as a 5 tech

 

I used Leger Dousable as an example of a better option at DT when Alualu was a DT. They were the same position at the time.

 

Leger outplayed Alualu at the time anyway. With Knighton and Alualu at DT, Gene Smith let him go because of Alualu being his top 10 pick.

Quote:People in this thread label him a bust.  Can you give me your example of a bust?

 

My examples would be guys like Matt Jones, Ray Jay Soward, Hugh Douglas in Jax......Alualu has consitently been on the field and has made some good plays.  How is that a bust?

Good plays in which people cant name. What play has he made?

Quote:That's a good point. I'm not sure I can argue against it, but I'll say that I'd probably move Jurkovic up one and Alualu behind him. 

 

I like Jackson. He only played about half a season; I don't see how he could have contributed more than a 3-year starter.

 

I still don't think Alualu is a bad DT. I get your point, however. I may have been wrong about where Alualu ranks in comparison to other DTs. I think that says more about the quality of DTs that we expect. 

Keep in mind, I had forgotten Terrance Knighton and Senderrick Marks when I originally posted this list.  You can push Alualu down two more spots at least.

Quote:This is not a persuasive argument.

 

First off, JDR had a year and 3/4 with Alualu, who was drafted before the new CBA that instituted a rookie wage scale.  Even if Alualu induced projectile vomiting from JDRs entire staff with his weekly impression of a speed bump, once Alualu signed, from a cap standpoint it would have been difficult to cut him within that time-even assuming Gene Smith ceded personnel power to him, and that's even with all of the cap room the team had.

 

Secondly, Mularkey wouldn't have had the power to cut him, either.  Gene Smith sold Khan on the idea the team wasn't far from contention.  Khan deferred to Smith on that point, even though the team was nowhere close.  Even if Smith suddenly gained the ability to properly evaluate talent, he wasn't going to cut a guy he just drafted 10th overall just two seasons earlier.  It would put him in an even worse position with Khan.

 

Finally, when Caldwell and Bradley got here, their task was to completely overhaul the roster.  They weren't going to do it all in one year, and you can bet there are players still on the roster from the Smith era who may get cut this year, and certainly won't be around for the 2015 season.

 

Think about it.

 

An annual tradition on this board is for some people to see a thirty something year old big name released, and urge the team to sign him.  As sure as the sun rises in the east, this is followed by hordes of people rejecting the idea immediately, citing the free agent's age.

 

Bryant is 30 years old, having just been released by the Seahawks.  Alualu is three years younger.  When Bryant signed here, there were few, if any, who didn't see him as an upgrade over Alualu despite his age.  Now this 30 year old street free agent (yes he was a street free agent because he was released) is a virtually automatic upgrade over Alualu, who is in his prime?!?

 

If Aluau were truly "good," irrespective of draft status or whether he lived up to the draft status, this wouldn't happen.

That's just it, nobody that I have seen is claiming him to even be "good" to use your term. I believe someone said that he has brought zero tangible positives, that is false. they were pointed out, that's it. I don't think many would utter a complaint if and when he is cut. But to say he has done nothing is disingenuous.

Quote:That's just it, nobody that I have seen is claiming him to even be "good" to use your term. I believe someone said that he has brought zero tangible positives, that is false. they were pointed out, that's it. I don't think many would utter a complaint if and when he is cut. But to say he has done nothing is disingenuous.

 

This is my last post here, and people have said this exact same thing you did a handful of times here.  Bullseye and Joe will keep saying the same thing over and over without giving any credit to Alualu.  The guy is not a great football player, but they will point out that he was a tenth pick and hasn't lived up to the hype over and over until they make people give up.

Quote:That's just it, nobody that I have seen is claiming him to even be "good" to use your term. I believe someone said that he has brought zero tangible positives, that is false. they were pointed out, that's it. I don't think many would utter a complaint if and when he is cut. But to say he has done nothing is disingenuous.

But what has he done?

 

Let me pose this question.  Had I worded the statement slightly differently...had I stated "Alualu has been of little use" rather than "completely useless," and kept the analysis completely the same, would any of you on that side have any problem with it?  Several of you have harped on that wording and have offered that he ranked 31st or something in the league in tackles by a DL.

 

Would that be better?

Quote:That's just it, nobody that I have seen is claiming him to even be "good" to use your term

. I believe someone said that he has brought zero tangible positives, that is false. they were pointed out, that's it. I don't think many would utter a complaint if and when he is cut. But to say he has done nothing is disingenuous.

 

Quote:That's just it, nobody that I have seen is claiming him to even be "good" to use your term. I believe someone said that he has brought zero tangible positives, that is false. they were pointed out, that's it. I don't think many would utter a complaint if and when he is cut. But to say he has done nothing is disingenuous.

Wow...The title of the thread is literally "BCC continues to try and prop up Alualu as a solid player"

Quote:Wow...The title of the thread is literally "BCC continues to try and prop up Alualu as a solid player"

This is your weakest response yet. You must be getting tired.

Quote:People in this thread label him a bust.  Can you give me your example of a bust?

 

My examples would be guys like Matt Jones, Ray Jay Soward, Hugh Douglas in Jax......Alualu has consitently been on the field and has made some good plays.  How is that a bust?

But wait a minute.

 

By the standards expressed in support of Alualu, how is Alualu NOT a bust?

 

Matt Jones did more than "NOTHING" for the Jaguars in the literal sense.  His last year here, he had a 65 catch season.  His second year, he averaged 15.7 ypc.

 

The reviled Hugh Douglas-whom you classify as a "bust," started 16 games and had 3.5 sacks in his one season with the Jaguars.  Those are Alualu levels of impact.  Granted, DEs SHOULD have more sacks than DTs as a rule, but a 20 something player should be more productive than a 32 year old player like Douglas.  Even that season, which statistically was Douglas' second worst season, equates to Alualu's two best statistical seasons.  So what made Douglas a bust?  The contract that he signed?  His career and reputation up to that point?  Why would those things be relevant but not Alualu's prior draft position?

Quote: Grady Jackson-even at the late stage in his career-provided much more in terms of run defense than Alualu ever dreamed.  Even at that late stage in his career, he was very difficult to move out in the running game.  Nobody could ever really say that about Alualu.  Jurkovic was also a better run stuffer too.  Alualu has been useless to this team.  Laugh all you want, but if you had to put together a DL to stop an inside running play, of the three players in this portion of the discussion, Alualu is the 3rd choice.

 

Regarding Bradley's honesty/failure to trash, it's entirely possible he was asked specifically about Storm Johnson's weaknesses, but not asked about Alualu's. 

 

Unbelievable. Grady Jackson was a back up on the team for half a season, he has not contributed nearly as much as you think he did. I honestly believe you're just saying this because you want to discredit Tyson.

 

Grady Jackson in his prime, I'd take over Tyson. The Grady Jackson that played for the team in 07' however, not so much. 

 

It's just so unreal that you believe Alualu is useless, I thought you of all people would know the game of football better than that.

 

And Bradley wasn't asked specifically about Storm's weaknesses. He brings it up out of the blue.

Quote:This is your weakest response yet. You must be getting tired.

Have you been correct on anything yet?

Quote:Unbelievable. Grady Jackson was a back up on the team for half a season, he has not contributed nearly as much as you think he did. I honestly believe you're just saying this because you want to discredit Tyson.

 

Grady Jackson in his prime, I'd take over Tyson. The Grady Jackson that played for the team in 07' however, not so much. 

 

It's just so unreal that you believe Alualu is useless, I thought you of all people would know the game of football better than that.

 

And Bradley wasn't asked specifically about Storm's weaknesses. He brings it up out of the blue.

Fine.

 

Even if you completely remove Grady Jackson from the equation, Alualu is clearly within the bottom tier of all time Jaguars starters at DT.  He's still about 9th best in a best case scenario.

Quote:Unbelievable. Grady Jackson was a back up on the team for half a season, he has not contributed nearly as much as you think he did. I honestly believe you're just saying this because you want to discredit Tyson.

 

Grady Jackson in his prime, I'd take over Tyson. The Grady Jackson that played for the team in 07' however, not so much. 

 

It's just so unreal that you believe Alualu is useless, I thought you of all people would know the game of football better than that.

 

And Bradley wasn't asked specifically about Storm's weaknesses. He brings it up out of the blue.

The only thing MAYBE saving your argument is that Grady Jackson hadnt played here long enough. If he had, i doubt your stance would be the same.