Quote:Tim Tebow fixed his mechanics too before the draft. Once he was on the field facing real hits, he reverted to his old habits. Mechanics can be changed, but it requires muscle memory to make sure the changes stick.
I really don't see Bortles starting before the bye week, and if he does start afterward, it's more likely because of injury than anything else.
Impressing in the preseason against guys who will be bagging groceries a week or two later isn't really a good barometer.
If Bortles mechanics are that bad and need that much of an overhaul, I think we drafted the wrong guy. They look alright to me, but I certainly dont claim to be an expert.
Is there anyone in the history of the NFL who has successfully changed their mechanics from the ground up? He has been throwing the same way since he was a little kid, attempts at anything other than tweaking are historically likely to fail.
Impressing in preseason has been good enough to get worse players than Bortles to unseat better players than Henne.
Quote:Mark Long from the AP was at Jaguar minicamp today, and his exact words: "Bortles needs a lot of work. He is not ready to start in this league."
Long also gave a lot of praise to the way Henne looked, much to the chagrin of so many around here.
I know Long isn't a coach or anything, but he covers the NFL in it's entirety, and sees enough to have a decent opinion. His opinion match the opinion of the coach, the GM, and the owner. And that opinion is that the best interests of the Jaguars lie in starting Henne and sitting Bortles this season.
They realize that making the fans wait a season for a great QB is better than caving to the vocal minority who would probably be crying for Stanzi by week 6 if things didn't go perfectly.
They have a plan, learn it, love it, and live it. You will be better and happier for it.
I wonder how much over reaction this will gather..
Quote:If Bortles mechanics are that bad and need that much of an overhaul, I think we drafted the wrong guy. They look alright to me, but I certainly dont claim to be an expert.
Is there anyone in the history of the NFL who has successfully changed their mechanics from the ground up? He has been throwing the same way since he was a little kid, attempts at anything other than tweaking are historically likely to fail.
Impressing in preseason has been good enough to get worse players than Bortles to unseat better players than Henne.
From what I recall the talk of mechanics was pretty well limited to his footwork and balance. I don't think any coach believes they can seriously overcome the years of muscle memory going all the way back to childhood that seems to determine someone's throwing motion.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bortles at some point this season, but I have to imagine the work being put into him over this year is probably going to be more focused on priming him for next offseason than preparing him to start this year.
Quote:If Bortles mechanics are that bad and need that much of an overhaul, I think we drafted the wrong guy. They look alright to me, but I certainly dont claim to be an expert.
Is there anyone in the history of the NFL who has successfully changed their mechanics from the ground up? He has been throwing the same way since he was a little kid, attempts at anything other than tweaking are historically likely to fail.
Impressing in preseason has been good enough to get worse players than Bortles to unseat better players than Henne.
Bortles mechanics aren't as bad as Tebow's entering the league. Don't read more into my comment than intended. I was simply pointing out that seeing him improving his mechanics in underwear practices where nobody is allowed to hit the red jersey is a far cry from when the hits are happening. It was at that point that Tebow's "fixed" mechanics fell apart. He didn't have adequate time to really lock it down to where it was instinctual. The same thing could happen to Bortles if he's rushed along based on what he's doing in OTAs and mini camp.
Bortles isn't being rebuilt from the ground up. His footwork is the primary concern, and that can be coached. If he can improve his footwork, his throwing will improve as well.
We've seen how impressive preseason performances have turned out to be fools gold.
Quote:Tim Tebow fixed his mechanics too before the draft. Once he was on the field facing real hits, he reverted to his old habits. Mechanics can be changed, but it requires muscle memory to make sure the changes stick.
I really don't see Bortles starting before the bye week, and if he does start afterward, it's more likely because of injury than anything else.
Impressing in the preseason against guys who will be bagging groceries a week or two later isn't really a good barometer.
I see your point on all aspects. But Tim Tebow had Much More issues than just his mechanics as evidenced by his current employment. He was NEVER an NFL type QB. An great college Rah-Rah type but it didn't translate to the next level. Nor will it. Even if BB5 sits he's on a whole different, higher level...
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Quote:The good news is Bortles doesn't seem to have a ton wrong with his throwing motion (which seems to be the least successful thing to correct at the NFL level). His main problems stem from the lower body...at times. A lot of college offenses breed that problem with the quick no-read throws. Colin Kaepernick has had a similar problem and mostly has overcome them
To this I Agree...
BB5‘s mechanis isn't flawed. His footwork like most rookie QBs will improve and his pocket presence is an gift. Either you have it or you don't. He Has It...
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Quote:I see your point on all aspects. But Tim Tebow had Much More issues than just his mechanics as evidenced by his current employment. He was NEVER an NFL type QB. An great college Rah-Rah type but it didn't translate to the next level. Nor will it. Even if BB5 sits he's on a whole different, higher level...
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But, it's still about fixing mechanics, and allowing the player to work on that until it's second nature for him.
There's really no reason to rush Bortles in, and plenty of reasons why we want them to take their time with his development. He wasn't drafted for what he'll do as a rookie.
Quote:But, it's still about fixing mechanics, and allowing the player to work on that until it's second nature for him.
There's really no reason to rush Bortles in, and plenty of reasons why we want them to take their time with his development. He wasn't drafted for what he'll do as a rookie.
Again I see your point...
But I 'm convinced that BB5 takes no back seat to No One for a extended period. This has been proven time again. If he accomplishes this Again within the NFL...
WE HAVE A WINNER...
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Quote:Again I see your point...
But I 'm convinced that BB5 takes no back seat to No One for a extended period. This has been proven time again. If he accomplishes this Again within the NFL...
WE HAVE A WINNER...
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Hopefully we do have a winner. All signs are positive, but anything can happen.
Quote:Has BB5 continiously improved to the point of the staff giving him more reps than Henne? Training Camp will be the Tell Tail concerning this issue. I for one believe that BB5 will prevail even if he stumbles out of the gate. The experience of starting from "Day One" will pay dividens in the near future...
I say start BB5 above Henne and allow the Experience to Begin...
Am I Wrong in feeling such?
http:bit.ly/1kwWkfu (As evidenced, it's been awhile since I started a topic)...
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I wouldn't read too much into the number of reps that he's getting, especially in "underwear practice". I seem to recall Coach Bradley talking about getting him as many reps as he can in the off-season. There is no way that anyone with a hint of knowledge would say with a straight face that Bortles is better than Henne at this point.
Quote:I wouldn't read too much into the number of reps that he's getting, especially in "underwear practice". I seem to recall Coach Bradley talking about getting him as many reps as he can in the off-season. There is no way that anyone with a hint of knowledge would say with a straight face that Bortles is better than Henne at this point.
I agree that it's too early to be "straight faced" but you too have to agree that if Henne were overall better than Any QB we drafted... we would'nt have drafted him...
Just Sayn...
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Quote:Hopefully we do have a winner. All signs are positive, but anything can happen.
I'm an Optimist and I'm optimistic that BB5 is our QB of the future and hell start sooner than later...
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Quote:I'm an Optimist and I'm optimistic that BB5 is our QB of the future and hell start sooner than later...
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I'm an optimistic realist. He'll start when he's ready no matter how long that may take. If it's this year, great. If not, so be it.
Quote:I agree that it's too early to be "straight faced" but you too have to agree that if Henne were overall better than Any QB we drafted... we would'nt have drafted him...
Just Sayn...
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They didn't draft Bortles with the thought he is better than Henne, they drafted him with the thought that he will one day develop into someone better than Henne.
Quote:I'm an optimistic realist. He'll start when he's ready no matter how long that may take. If it's this year, great. If not, so be it.
LOL...
Now you know just as well as I do that if BB5 were to need a full year plus to become our starter, this message board would be lit up. Run-A-Muck w/posters clammoring for blood. Sadly I Say...
Some of us would be patient in this process but others... Ohhh Boyyy...
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Quote:They didn't draft Bortles with the thought he is better than Henne, they drafted him with the thought that he will one day develop into someone better than Henne.
Then he is better because he has more upside than Henne does...
When you utilize the third pick of the first round on Any player at Any position, you have to feel that he is better than what you presently have on your roster. If you don't feel as such then your wasting a pick and the drafted player has No Chance of supplanting the player before him unless injured...
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Nh3 is clearly not smart enough to understand logic and reasoning. There seems to be no point in arguing with him.
All I see is ""This" is the rule in the NFL and any GM who doesnt do "this" is dumb".
Well guess what, Times change. Caldwell just took a redshirt QB with the 3rd overall pick. I'll accept any bet that this may become the norm if Bortles succeeds.
Quote:Then he is better because he has more upside than Henne does...
When you utilize the third pick of the first round on Any player at Any position, you have to feel that he is better than what you presently have on your roster. If you don't feel as such then your wasting a pick and the drafted player has No Chance of supplanting the player before him unless injured...
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Upside doesn't make you better now. Drafting is about the future not the present.
Quote:LOL...
Now you know just as well as I do that if BB5 were to need a full year plus to become our starter, this message board would be lit up. Run-A-Muck w/posters clammoring for blood. Sadly I Say...
Some of us would be patient in this process but others... Ohhh Boyyy...
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If the team manages the roster by what people on a message board thinks, they all need to be fired.