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Just read this article and was wondering what you would give up for Berry. Not saying KC would trade him but what would you offer if they would listen to a trade offer. I think he could be a top 2 or 3 FS in the league and make the transition for SS to FS pretty easy the way Ed Reed did early in his career. I would offer a 2nd and 4th, maybe a bit more if he would sign a extension. What would you offer?
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Just read this article and was wondering what you would give up for Berry. Not saying KC would trade him but what would you offer if they would listen to a trade offer. I think he could be a top 2 or 3 FS in the league and make the transition for SS to FS pretty easy the way Ed Reed did early in his career. I would offer a 2nd and 4th, maybe a bit more if he would sign a extension. What would you offer?
I wouldn't offer more than a 2nd + a 4th. Even that would be sketchy. I was surprised to hear that they've been using him as a box Safety all this time. Wasn't he known for being more of a ball hawk in college? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
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Ah I see....
Well since its Reid there, he's prolly trying to use Berry like he used Brian Dawkins.....but not sure why he'd want to get rid of him so soon....even with the price. He's only 25.
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Well since its Reid there, he's prolly trying to use Berry like he used Brian Dawkins.....but not sure why he'd want to get rid of him so soon....even with the price. He's only 25.
Dawkins was a FS when he was in Philly
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Was he? I thought Reid played him as a SS like Pitt plays Polamalu. Or I just assumed he played SS, due to his physical style....
tmd doesn't watch football
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Clearly, this.
Also, I wouldn't be willing to go any higher than a fourth-round pick for Berry. It's not that I don't like him as a player, because I do. It's that I don't want any part of that contract. If he negotiates an extension that brings those dollar figures back towards reality, I'd be interested as high as a second-round pick. Logic being that I think the Jags would be looking at a safety in the first two rounds next year anyway, so it's worth giving up the two to fill the hole now vs. hoping the right guy is there when you're on the clock in 2015.
But, yeah, as long as that psycho contract is in place, forget it. Even if Berry were amenable to negotiating an extension that brings that cap number down, his agent would fight tooth and nail to block it so as to avoid having other agents shove it in the face of anyone he's recruiting. He's a guy who's playing well enough that you'll either have to break the bank to keep him out of free agency, franchise tag him for two years (which will
not be cheap given how highly-paid he is now) or let him into FA and hope that
the Redskins the Cowboys the Bucs some other bunch of idiots doesn't give him a monstrous contract. Getting two years out of a guy that you cough a fourth up for? Fine. Two years out of a guy that you gave up a two, a two and a three, or even a one to get your hands on? Yousa sayin' GM's insa trouble?
I'd give up both 2015 and 2016 2nd rounders for Eric Berry because I believe he's the most underutilized talent in the NFL right now.
Quote:Clearly, this.
Also, I wouldn't be willing to go any higher than a fourth-round pick for Berry. It's not that I don't like him as a player, because I do. It's that I don't want any part of that contract. If he negotiates an extension that brings those dollar figures back towards reality, I'd be interested as high as a second-round pick. Logic being that I think the Jags would be looking at a safety in the first two rounds next year anyway, so it's worth giving up the two to fill the hole now vs. hoping the right guy is there when you're on the clock in 2015.
But, yeah, as long as that psycho contract is in place, forget it. Even if Berry were amenable to negotiating an extension that brings that cap number down, his agent would fight tooth and nail to block it so as to avoid having other agents shove it in the face of anyone he's recruiting. He's a guy who's playing well enough that you'll either have to break the bank to keep him out of free agency, franchise tag him for two years (which will not be cheap given how highly-paid he is now) or let him into FA and hope that <del>the Redskins</del> <del>the Cowboys</del> <del>the Bucs</del> some other bunch of idiots doesn't give him a monstrous contract. Getting two years out of a guy that you cough a fourth up for? Fine. Two years out of a guy that you gave up a two, a two and a three, or even a one to get your hands on? Yousa sayin' GM's insa trouble?
I'm kinda the opposite, id demand an extension but id be happy keeping the next 2 years the same as they are aslong as the 2/3 after we're average or slightly above? May aswel load it upfront whilst we have the cap.
I'd give a 2nd
Most people on here get it
Quote:Clearly, this.
Also, I wouldn't be willing to go any higher than a fourth-round pick for Berry. It's not that I don't like him as a player, because I do. It's that I don't want any part of that contract. If he negotiates an extension that brings those dollar figures back towards reality, I'd be interested as high as a second-round pick. Logic being that I think the Jags would be looking at a safety in the first two rounds next year anyway, so it's worth giving up the two to fill the hole now vs. hoping the right guy is there when you're on the clock in 2015.
But, yeah, as long as that psycho contract is in place, forget it. Even if Berry were amenable to negotiating an extension that brings that cap number down, his agent would fight tooth and nail to block it so as to avoid having other agents shove it in the face of anyone he's recruiting. He's a guy who's playing well enough that you'll either have to break the bank to keep him out of free agency, franchise tag him for two years (which will not be cheap given how highly-paid he is now) or let him into FA and hope that the Redskins the Cowboys the Bucs some other bunch of idiots doesn't give him a monstrous contract. Getting two years out of a guy that you cough a fourth up for? Fine. Two years out of a guy that you gave up a two, a two and a three, or even a one to get your hands on? Yousa sayin' GM's insa trouble?
I tend to agree with this. I'm not sure there's a trade scenario this team would consider based simply on his contract numbers, and there's zero incentive for him to re-work that contract especially if the intent is to lower the cap hit.
Knowing how Caldwell covets his draft picks, I'm seriously doubting he'd give up multiple picks including a 2nd rounder. Just doesn't seem like something he'd be involved with.
Quote:nah, never. Ever.
I made a comment not long ago about you probably only seeing a couple penn state games over the past couple years and you went off about how living in Philly they're forced down your throat. Pretty sure the same would apply for the eagles with even less variety to choose from and you don't even know what poaition dawkins played. Easily one of the best safeties of all time. To me that speaks volumes about how much you actually watch football as opposed to how you watch highlights, read articles, and then promote your agenda.
With that being said, eric berry is an exceptional talent. At 25 years old he has a lot of good years left. Has good speed, good tackler, smart player with good ball skills. Trading a high round pick for someone who might leave in two years would not be smart. If he can be had for a couple picks representing a little better value and gets a new restructured 4 or 5 year deal, i would be for it, but as others have stated, he has no real reason to do that.
For example, if cyprien turns into the player a lot of us thinks he will and keeps progressing, he will make an average of 1 million dollars over the next three years. Berry, on the other hand, is making 13 mil over the next 2 years. So 6.5 million per year average. Cyp only cost us 1 second round pick and an average of 5 and a half million dollars less a year.
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I made a comment not long ago about you probably only seeing a couple penn state games over the past couple years and you went off about how living in Philly they're forced down your throat. Pretty sure the same would apply for the eagles with even less variety to choose from and you don't even know what poaition dawkins played. Easily one of the best safeties of all time. To me that speaks volumes about how much you actually watch football as opposed to how you watch highlights, read articles, and then promote your agenda.
Not really, at the bar when the Jags are on, I'm watching the Jags, not the Eagles. Saturdays I'm watching whatever college football is being televised.
And as said, I thought Dawkins played SS due to his style of play which I saw being like Polamalu. You're trying too hard here. Not correctly remembering which Safety position he played years ago really isn't that big of a deal. I forgot, plain & simple. biiiig deal. You act as if I couldn't spot him in a police lineup or something .gif "Laughing")
The only one thats promoting an agenda here is you. My comment was a benign mistake. You're acting how Alfie would act over something small. ...maybe its your napoleon complex acting up again. :whistling:
With that being said, eric berry is an exceptional talent. At 25 years old he has a lot of good years left. Has good speed, good tackler, smart player with good ball skills. Trading a high round pick for someone who might leave in two years would not be smart. If he can be had for a couple picks representing a little better value and gets a new restructured 4 or 5 year deal, i would be for it, but as others have stated, he has no real reason to do that.
For example, if cyprien turns into the player a lot of us thinks he will and keeps progressing, he will make an average of 1 million dollars over the next three years. Berry, on the other hand, is making 13 mil over the next 2 years. So 6.5 million per year average. Cyp only cost us 1 second round pick and an average of 5 and a half million dollars less a year.
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Not sure you know what napoleon complex is....
Berry is a great player but I don't know that he'd be worth what it would cost this team. We'll still likely be drafting very high next year, so a first would be out of the question and I'm not sure he'd mean enough to this team to give up multiple high in the order picks for him like I'm sure KC would be demanding.
Quote:Berry is a great player but I don't know that he'd be worth what it would cost this team. We'll still likely be drafting very high next year, so a first would be out of the question and I'm not sure he'd mean enough to this team to give up multiple high in the order picks for him like I'm sure KC would be demanding.
Thats true. You have to weigh out the FS prospect that are upcoming in next years draft compared to what you'd have to pay for Berry and see which option is the better one all around.
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Just read this article and was wondering what you would give up for Berry. Not saying KC would trade him but what would you offer if they would listen to a trade offer. I think he could be a top 2 or 3 FS in the league and make the transition for SS to FS pretty easy the way Ed Reed did early in his career. I would offer a 2nd and 4th, maybe a bit more if he would sign a extension. What would you offer?
Its a young man's game, I assume they will address Free Safety position in this upcoming draft as we can all agree Josh Evans isnt the future.
A 5 year veteran expecting a huge contract and having to trade away draft picks in the hopes of changing his role from SS to FS has too much risk versus benefit for Dave Caldwell to make in my opinion.
We cant all agree that josh evans isnt the future. He played his rookie year..... Thats it. I dont write players off after their rookie years.